From: bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use
ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:00:34 -0600
I put one gram of sulfur (elemental) in 50 milliliters of biodiesel and
heated. some but not all went into solution, so I can say that sulfur is
soluble to less than two percent in biodiesel.
Tonomár András wrote:
> I was looking through the MSDS of our cutting oil but found no trace
> of the chemical stucture. ( I think they consider it industrial secret)
>
> WOuld be nive if you could find out something about sulfur dissolving
> Thank you in advance
>
> Kind reg.
> Andrew
>
>
>
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant
> andlubricatinginsteelmachining
>
>
> I don't know off the top of my head, but sulfur is somewhat soluble in
> non polar solvents like toluene and carbon tetrachloride, so I suspect
> it would have some solubility in biodiesel. Probably all you would
> need to do is get some elemental sulfur , a yellow powder , add to the
> biodiesel and heat it up to see if it dissolves. This is assuming that
> when someone says sulfur, they mean elemental sulfur rather than sulfur
> present in another form. If I get time this afternoon I'll give it a
> try. stay tuned.
>
> Another point, if "sulfurated" biodiesel works, wouldn't "sulfurated"
> vegetable oil work just as well?
>
>
>> I would but I don't do enough to matter. I am not sure how they put
>> sulfer into oil perhaps Bob Allen would help answer this question?
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: Tonomár András <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant
>>> andlubricatinginsteelmachining
>>> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:20:31 +0100
>>>
>>> James,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your reply.
>>> Do you know how can I add sulfur?
>>> What was your final conclusion with the experiment?
>>> Do you still use it or not?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:33 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and
>>> lubricatinginsteelmachining
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Also you may need to add Sulfur to get a real good cut. Thats the
>>>>
>>> magic
>>>
>>>> ingreadient to cutting oils.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>>>> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating
>>>>> insteelmachining
>>>>> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:49:27 -0700
>>>>>
>>>>> It will probably work if the cutting edge can be kept cool. I used
>>>>>
>>> some
>>> for
>>>
>>>>> this and it got hot and smoked (worked good though) but I didn't'
>>>>>
>>> have a
>>>
>>>>> regenerative supply cooling the surface. Get an msds on your
>>>>>
>>> cutting oil
>>>
>>>>> and one for biodiesel then compare the properties. This can be a
>>>>>
>>> guide
>>>
>>>>> that will tell you what modifications you need to make.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Tonomár András<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> To:
>>>>>
>>> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org<mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
>>>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:31 AM
>>>>> Subject: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating in
>>>>> steelmachining
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear list members,
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone have information on biodiesel in turning machines as
>>>>>
>>> coolant
>>>
>>>>> and lubricating liquid? Cutting oil prices are high in the sky (
>>>>>
>>> $21 /
>>>
>>>>> gallon ). My company operates 8 automatic turns that use such oil.
>>>>>
>>> We are
>>>
>>>>> machining soft steel and automatic steel. The tools are made of
rapid
>>>>>
>>> steel
>>>
>>>>> and normal HSS drills
>>>>>
>>>>> My boss just got angry because of the oil bills :))) and my
>>>>>
>>> thoughts
>>> are
>>>
>>>>> on biodiesel.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are going to experiment with that, but would be nice to have
>>>>>
>>> some
>>>
>>>>> info in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>> Andrew
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