Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Allah or Jesus?

Wed, 15 Nov 2006 00:50:09 -0800

Dear Rick,
 
Greetings!!

Its pity to read the article you have listed and by all means should it be true, i pity the knowledge of the Imam who could address your questions.
 
The theory of evolution has been change and refinement to best suit the present time which was happening naturally and so are religions, if we look at all the religions - mind you - Catholics, Protestants and Islam are not the only religions on earth - every religions roots back to a certain time and phase the world was in - an at that point of time Allah! (The Almighty) had sent certain teaching and every humans became wise and cleverer to abstain the teaching a new refined teachings (which took form as religions) came in. Why "Quran" is considered the last teaching of the Almighty because it is fault less / pure by its grammar - research has proven that this is a composition beyond human intelligence, then who framed it? None other than the Almighty. It is 1500 now and you will find everything subject in detailed touched upon including womens emancipation, it is the whole bunch of fools who misinterpret the "Quran (the Recitation)"
 
Jesus - peace be upon him, is the messenger of Allah like prophet Mohammed - peace be upon him, we respect him and Muslims don't pray him, there is this difference. Christians have elevated Jesus to a status which is not correct, he was a pure human being who lived once on earth like you and me but the Chosen One.
 
Let us not ridicule any religion or refer to one persons statement to the entire religion without even understanding  the essence.
 
Rick, coming to your question on Jihad - a word which has suddenly become infamous - the context of Jihad during prophet Muhammad's - peace be upon him, time was different - and should not be related to the present time.
 
To end - Islam is the last religion of the perfect religions which had been bestowed upon the mankind through so many prophets of which Adam, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmail, Noah, Moses, Jesus,Buddha (some scholars interpret his name is mentioned in Quran as a prophet with a code) and Muhhmad - peace be upon all of them. These were from the recent past, before that there is this wonderful religion called Hinduism - for which dates are not there but very very old.  
 
Abdul Rahman Ilyas
Hyderabad, India
richard tandiono supardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hmm? I believe what that Imam said does not represent the true Muslim religion. I lived in a country where the majority are muslim so I met many believers. I never studied Muslim personally; I was in Catholic school for 6 years and Protestan for another 6 years. Imo, Roman Catolic, Protestan, Muslim are pretty much the same. The major difference is how they achieve their final targets. The moral teachings are the same. "Do not do to others what we dont want to do to ourselves" --- All 4 religions that I know also have this passage but in their own versions.  
About the holy jihad... it's the same as the Crusades of medieval times. It's ironic that religions, which are created to bring salvation, compassion to humanity, actually creates wars. Religion's fault? I dont think so.
We cannot judge a religion based on what some of the believers did. It's the same as everything, religion is just a guide; the actions, the interpretations, all depends on the people themselves. Lesson to learn here: We need to be very careful when studying religion, dont be arrogant, dont be conceited, and think the deep meanings inside the teachings, not just memorizing word by words (We are much better than computer). Then we could conclude, practice them in our life and reduce the possibilities of misinterpretation/misleading. Bottomline, eliminate the word "I". 
Note: Sry for my poor english.. >_<. Hope it's still readable. Thanks.
Richard
From: "M&K DuPree" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [Biofuel] Fw: Allah or Jesus?
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:11:07 -0600

Can I get the List's opinion on the following that was forwarded to me?  I am in almost complete ignorance of the Muslim religion.  Thanks.  Mike DuPree
 
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Subject: FW: Allah or Jesus?

> Allah or Jesus..?
>
> Something very interesting to share with you...
>
> Rick MATHEWS is a well known leader in prison ministry.
>
> The Muslim religion in the fastest growing religion per capita in the
> United States, especially in the minority races!!!
>
> Allah or Jesus? By Rick Mathews
>
> Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for
> maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training
> session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the
> Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained each of
> their beliefs. I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam
> had to say.
>
> The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete
> with a video. After the presentations, time was provided for questions
> and answers.
>
> When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked:
> "Please, correct me if I'm wrong but I understand that most Imams and
> clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the
> infidels of the world and, that by killing an infidel, (which is a
> command to all Muslims) they are assured of a place in heaven. If
> that's the CASE; can you give me the definition of an infidel?"
>
> There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he
> replied, "Non-believers!" I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this
> straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone
> who is not of your faith so they can have a place in Heaven. Is that
> correct?"
>
> The _expression_ on his face changed from one of authority and command to
> that of "a little boy who had just been caught with his hand in the
> cookie jar." He sheepishly replied, "Yes".
>
> I then stated, "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope
> John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr.
> Stanley ordering all Protestants to do the same in order to guarantee
> them a place in Heaven!" The Imam was speechless. I continued, "I also
> have problem with being your 'friend' when you and your brother clerics
> are telling your followers to kill me! Let me ask you a question. Would
> you rather have your Allah, who tells you to kill me in order for you to
> go to Heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to
> Heaven and He wants you to be there with me?"
>
> You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame.
> Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the
> 'Diversification' training seminar were not happy with Rick's way of
> dealing with the Islamic Imam and exposing the truth about the Muslims'
> beliefs.
>
> In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.S. to elect
> the President! I think everyone in the US should be required to
> read this but with the liberal justice system, liberal media, and the
> ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized.
>
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>
> This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathews, is a well known
> leader in prison ministry.
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