Hello Dawie,

Urban people will benefit by taking on a congestion charge similar to that 
of London, Eng. which has helped the air quality, reduced GHG, helped 
transit, and improved travelling times.

Terry Dyck



>From: Dawie Coetzee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Greenest and meanest of the year (Zeke Yewdall)
>Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 06:12:04 +0000 (GMT)
>
>You said it, Zeke. Urban form, vehicles, fuels, and public transport all 
>act together. Any solution has to address all components. A lot of people 
>are working on various parts, but the parts never seem to come together or, 
>worse, the parts contradict one another. Like making 7 or 8 million cars a 
>year to justify the "tight" embodied technology and then expecting people 
>to leave them parked at home.
>
>At the risk of becoming tedious, I repeat, cities change all the time, and 
>the way in which they change can and should be channelled in a better 
>direction, and now. Biofuel people need to get into urban form issues, and 
>vice versa.
>
>-Dawie
>
>
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>On 2/8/07, robert and benita rabello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >   Our neighborhood was designed to insulate families
>from one another.  The dearth of public spaces, the lack of commercial
>development and recreational activities compel everyone to get into the
>car and drive somewhere else.
>
>Don't you understand how the economy works?  If people in a community all 
>walk to a public space and talk amongst each other and play and actually 
>become a community, they aren't inside their miserable little houses 
>watching TV and seeing ads for stuff that they can then drive to the mall 
>and buy.  Buying stuff and pharmaceuticals to try to make yourself not feel 
>as depressed about your meaningless life can't be sustained if you have too 
>much human socialization and start feeling better adjusted just from being 
>around people you like hanging out with.
>
>Z
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