>Hi Kirk, > >I am not sure were your 3000 acres are but here in BC, Canada, you >would have to have a farm inspected by certified organic >Verification people not only for fertilizer but for pesticides and >herbicides and the oats you feed your chickens would have to be >certified as organic as well plus many other conditions such as no >drugs or antibiotics.
To what avail Terry? To get a label so WalMart can sell it for a better margin a thousand miles away? LOL! Keith >Terry Dyck > > >>From: Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use >>Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 13:48:03 -0800 (PST) >> >>We ran 3000 acres. A small operation. My stepdads brother ran the >>slaughterhouse and meatmarket in town. The only grain they got was >>a scoop of feed so their head was down so you could put the rifle >>against the back of their skull. >> I am familiar with the business. >> As for our chickens they got oats and wheat. We didnt fertilize so >>I guess it was "organic". >> Old hens have fat but fryers are lean meat. >> As for hog and chicken "farm" pollution it is a travesty and the >>monied such as Tyson get away with it because of who they are and >>who they know. >> The biggest dead zone that I actually saw the satellite photos of >>was the spraying in Nam. The chemical companies assured the >>military the die off would be in river plumes maybe as far as 50 >>miles. When the die off was larger than Nam itself spraying was >>stopped. >> Nothing has changed. Except we are the Vietnamese now courtesy of >>Monsanto and others. >> >> Kirk >> >>Terry Dyck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi Kirk, >> >>Even the so called grass fed cows spend their last days on special feed lots >>to fatten them up. When I was involved with a certification of organic >>farming organization I approached a chicken farmer who always complained >>that he couldn't go completely organic because the cost of organic feed was >>too high. I suggested that he could just let the chickens eat like wild >>birds and he mentioned that that would be very healthy for the chickens but >>no one would buy the meat because the chickens would be too skinny. The >>farmers have to purchase or grow special grains that are certified organic >>and feed this to the chickens to produce more fat. >>Also, there are many dead zones now in our oceans were fish can not survive >>and the cause is run off from factory cattle and hog farms. There are lots >>of scientific studies done on this. >> >>Terry Dyck >> >> >> >From: Kirk McLoren >> >Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use >> >Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 12:36:39 -0800 (PST) >> > >> >There are so many assumptions made in these "analysis" I fail to get >> >excited. When man was chipping flint and buffalo herds took a day to run >> >past a point how much methane was there? There was more forest too and >> >rotting vegetation and termites. As for fertilizer for feed that means >> >feedlots and most beef in the west is sold from open range. Grass one day >> >then a train ride to swift and armour. No feed lot involved. The biggest >> >feed lot operator I know ships all his meat to Japan. American consumers >> >dont want to pay that much. >> > For every cow I see on a lot I see 10 or more on grass. <snip> _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
