Hi Keith,
I believe in the 100 mile diet (mostly locally grown food) and organic food.
The problem with produce not being certified is that there are cheaters in
the real world. Farmers who use pesticides and chemical fertilizers and
then say they are organic. The verification inspectors enforce safety
standards for consumers who want to buy real organically grown food.
Terry Dyck
From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:19:41 +0900
>Hi Kirk,
>
>I am not sure were your 3000 acres are but here in BC, Canada, you
>would have to have a farm inspected by certified organic
>Verification people not only for fertilizer but for pesticides and
>herbicides and the oats you feed your chickens would have to be
>certified as organic as well plus many other conditions such as no
>drugs or antibiotics.
To what avail Terry?
To get a label so WalMart can sell it for a better margin a thousand
miles away?
LOL!
Keith
>Terry Dyck
>
>
>>From: Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
>>Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 13:48:03 -0800 (PST)
>>
>>We ran 3000 acres. A small operation. My stepdads brother ran the
>>slaughterhouse and meatmarket in town. The only grain they got was
>>a scoop of feed so their head was down so you could put the rifle
>>against the back of their skull.
>> I am familiar with the business.
>> As for our chickens they got oats and wheat. We didnt fertilize so
>>I guess it was "organic".
>> Old hens have fat but fryers are lean meat.
>> As for hog and chicken "farm" pollution it is a travesty and the
>>monied such as Tyson get away with it because of who they are and
>>who they know.
>> The biggest dead zone that I actually saw the satellite photos of
>>was the spraying in Nam. The chemical companies assured the
>>military the die off would be in river plumes maybe as far as 50
>>miles. When the die off was larger than Nam itself spraying was
>>stopped.
>> Nothing has changed. Except we are the Vietnamese now courtesy of
>>Monsanto and others.
>>
>> Kirk
>>
>>Terry Dyck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi Kirk,
>>
>>Even the so called grass fed cows spend their last days on special feed
lots
>>to fatten them up. When I was involved with a certification of organic
>>farming organization I approached a chicken farmer who always complained
>>that he couldn't go completely organic because the cost of organic feed
was
>>too high. I suggested that he could just let the chickens eat like wild
>>birds and he mentioned that that would be very healthy for the chickens
but
>>no one would buy the meat because the chickens would be too skinny. The
>>farmers have to purchase or grow special grains that are certified
organic
>>and feed this to the chickens to produce more fat.
>>Also, there are many dead zones now in our oceans were fish can not
survive
>>and the cause is run off from factory cattle and hog farms. There are
lots
>>of scientific studies done on this.
>>
>>Terry Dyck
>>
>>
>> >From: Kirk McLoren
>> >Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>> >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>> >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
>> >Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 12:36:39 -0800 (PST)
>> >
>> >There are so many assumptions made in these "analysis" I fail to get
>> >excited. When man was chipping flint and buffalo herds took a day to
run
>> >past a point how much methane was there? There was more forest too and
>> >rotting vegetation and termites. As for fertilizer for feed that means
>> >feedlots and most beef in the west is sold from open range. Grass one
day
>> >then a train ride to swift and armour. No feed lot involved. The
biggest
>> >feed lot operator I know ships all his meat to Japan. American
consumers
>> >dont want to pay that much.
>> > For every cow I see on a lot I see 10 or more on grass.
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