Hi Keith and all,
I was wondering how the work on using poultry for sustainable gardening/farming was going. I am planning to begin stocking a few Muscovy ducks this spring. I saw Muscovies on the website. Do you provide housing or supplimental feeds? Do they just forage on their own. I have some young mulberry trees that I hope might feed them in a few years. I´m trying to integrate some permaculture/perenial shrub system with animals. Uruguay´s weather has become very unpredictable. It seems the speeding up of the water cycle is giving us alternating floods with drought. Any ideas or insights?
Tom Irwin
From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Time is running out to Save Raw Almonds!
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:16:30 +0900
>Hi Dawie
>
> >Keith has emphasized before that meaningful food production doesn't
> >require huge tracts of land. It is amazing what can be done in very
> >small spaces.
> >
> >Modern cities contain vast amounts of wasted land, but the resulting
> >pattern is one that attracts too much moving about of people and
> >stuff for non-food-production purposes. There's a vicious circle
> >with too much roadway and parking generating an insatiable need for
> >more roadway and parking. I'm proposing that urban areas become a
> >lot tighter, though fragmented into smaller pockets, somewhat like
> >the cities of medieval Europe, so that the greatest proportion of
> >non-food-production functions are best supported by a
> >pedestrian-based local economy. In practice, the typical "new-world"
> >city should be steered to develop into twenty-odd (depending on the
> >size of the city) "mini-cities" separated by farmland.
>
>Or interpenetrated by farmland, in many shapes and forms, but
>sometimes just plain farmland. Japanese cities have patches of
>farmland throughout, a small field here and there, some of them not
>so small, with occasional clumps of fields, they're everywhere. Not
>just veggies, rice and soybeans and so on too. There are allotments
>as well. People don't notice them much but they produce a lot of
>food. There's still quite a lot of waste ground too, empty lots and
>all the usable bits and pieces of ground you start seeing around the
>place when you begin to take some notice.
>
> >A lot of that farmland is currently the
> >supposedly decorative gardens of sprawling suburbs.
>
>And/or allotments and so on, and quite a lot of suburban folks raise
>some vegetables.
>
> >The more I get into it, though, the more I realise how much food can
> >be produced even in the densely built city areas,
>
>There's room for it, once you start thinking that way you see it everywhere.
>
> >especially in the upper-storey courtyards that result almost
> >inevitably from the desire to use available space most effectively
> >while maintaining decent daylight and ventilation. This applies as
> >much to small livestock as to crops.
> >
> >I don't see cows being kept on rooftops. Cow-sized staircases would
> >just consume too much space! But I do see small dairy operations
> >within easy walking distance of city centres.
>
>It's amazing where people manage to keep poultry and pigs.
>
>Food for cities is not that big a problem eh? Mainly an attitude
>problem, and the attitude's changing.
>
>Best
>
>Keith
>
>
>
> >Dawie
> >
> >----- Original Message ----
> >From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> >Sent: Thursday, 14 June, 2007 5:41:57 AM
> >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Time is running out to Save Raw Almonds!
> >
> >hi Keith,
> >
> >you said "Large-scale animal and animal products production has no future and
> > > has a disgusting past without any merit. There is no place for "the
> > > industry". There is plenty of place for unpasteurised real milk and
> > > the healthy people who drink it." I agree, they are in it for the
> >money (which we do need) with less regard for the environmental
> >footprint, and lacking the passion to provide good food to the
> >people. However, could you elaborate on the size of scale you are
> >refering to in the above statement. I mean there are hundreds of
> >millions of people who live in cities that cant farm or produce for
> >themselves. Ultimately, in the end I believe the smaller and more
> >localised the farm is to its consumption destination, the better. It
> >reduces transport costs, packaging and ultimately energy demand.
> >Individual small farms to produce food for themselves and the
> >community is the best option if practiced responsibily with the
> >social and environmental issues in mind. Having said this what are
> >your thoughts for providing food to the cities.
> >
> >best
> >
> >Joshua
> >
> >
> >
> > > Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Andres
> > >
> > > >I am affraid the pasteurization process is necessary because to eat
> > > >untreated foods is DANGEROUS for humans.
> > >
> > > Not true. Please see my previous reply and check the references there.
> > >
> > > >The larger the production scale the
> > > >higher the risk.
> > >
> > > True.
> > >
> > > >The living parts of foods are oftenly poisonous for us
> > > >like bacteria.
> > >
> > > Not necessarily so. Look at your previous statement about the
> > > production scale. The inverse is equally true: the smaller the scale
> > > the lower the risk - in other words small-scale local production,
> > > such as on CSA farms. This can be and usually is safe and
> > > high-quality. Traditional agricultural systems all had and have good
> > > solutions to these problems. But modern large-scale production has no
> > > such answers.
> > >
> > > >Thanks to god there is still a lot of vegetables we can eat
> > > >in large volumes without processing and alive.
> > >
> > > And quite possibly covered with various pesticide residues and with
> > > only poor nutritional quality - again a problem that increases as the
> > > production scale increases, and decreases to zero as the scale
> > > decreases.
> > >
> > > >There are alternative process to pasteurization, but still expensive
> > > for the
> > > >industry to do it large scale.
> > >
> > > Large-scale animal and animal products production has no future and
> > > has a disgusting past without any merit. There is no place for "the
> > > industry". There is plenty of place for unpasteurised real milk and
> > > the healthy people who drink it.
> > >
> > > >Anyway those process kill all.
> > >
> > > Many people are saying that that is what industrial "food" processing
> > > is accomplishing. They seem to have a strong case for that argument.
> > >
> > > Best
> > >
> > > Keith
> > >
> > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
> > > >Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 11:45 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Time is running out to Save Raw Almonds!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >I agree. what ever happened to "natural food", soo many things these
> > > days
> > > > >are procesed, heat treated or altered from their natural state in
> > > some way
> > > > >or another. We are protected, inhibiting our own imunity from doing
> > > its
> > > > >job. I suspect that pasteurization could escilate the health problems
> > > by
> > > > >feeding humans "dead" food. One part of health is eating live food. I
> > > see
> > > > >this in the same boat as white bread, white flour, white sugar, white
> > > rice,
> > > > >etc. Foods need to be less procesed and offered in their natural
> > > states.
> > > > >
> > > > > Almonds also contain health promoting mono and polyunsaturated fats,
> > > that
> > > > > when heated to a hot enough temperature, degrade and turn rancid. Im
> > > sure
> > > > > that there are people out there that are also concerned about this.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Forwarding
> > > > >>
> > > > >> As of Sept 1, 2007, all almonds are to be pasteurized!
> > > > >> Please take a moment to contact US Secretary of Agriculture Mike
> > > Johanns
> > > > >> and ask him to use his influence to reverse this ruling.
> > > > >> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >> Phone: 202-720-3631
> > > > >> Fax: 202-720-2166
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Contact the Almond Board and let them know your thoughts, too.
> > > > >>
> ><http://www.almondboard.com/utilities/FORMContactUs.cfm>http://www.alm
> >ondboard.com/utilities/FORMContactUs.cfm
> > > > >> (209) 549-8262
> > > > >>
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