Hello Robert >Keith Addison wrote: > >>Hi again Robert >> > ><snip> > > >>"With the American political establishment firmly behind Israel's >>attack, and Obama's foreign policy team heavily weighted with >>pro-Israel insiders like Dennis Ross and Hillary Clinton, any efforts >>to hold Israel accountable in the United States will depend upon >>American citizens mobilizing a major grassroots effort behind a new >>foreign policy that will not tolerate any violations of international >>law, including those by Israel, and will immediately work towards >>ending Israel's siege of Gaza and ending Israel's occupation." >>-- War of Choice: How Israel Manufactured the Gaza Escalation > >Steve Niva | January 7, 2009 <http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/5776> > > Perhaps it's difficult to fully appreciate how powerful pro-Israeli >sentiment actually IS in the United States without actually living there >to experience it.
I know how powerful it is (though I wouldn't call it "sentiment"). You don't have to be living in the US to have direct experience of it. I've also been posting messages here on the waning of it's influence, and the rise of opposition to it, from before Mearsheimer and Walt's efforts. Now there's not only AIPAC and the ADL, along with Rabbi Weiss et al there are also groups like J-street: <http://www.jstreet.org/> "Obama Won't Have to Kiss AIPAC's Ring -- Progressive Alternative to Hawkish Mideast Policies Emerges" By Alexander Zaitchik, AlterNet Posted on January 12, 2009, Printed on January 12, 2009 <http://www.alternet.org/story/119050/> He'll kiss it anyway though... "Obama's Pro-Israel Congressional Welcome" By Rami G. Khouri Daily Star staff January 14, 2009 "Daily Star" <http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21751.htm> "Virtually the Entire Dem-Controlled Congress Supports Israel's War Crimes in Gaza" By Stephen Zunes, AlterNet. Posted January 13, 2009 <http://www.alternet.org/audits/119252/> ... despite what the polls say: FRIDAY, JANUARY 02, 2009 "First Poll on US Opinion on Gaza: Democratic Politicians Ignore Public Opinion" <http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/01/first-poll-on-us-opinion-on-gaza.html> >Not only is Israel viewed as a plucky underdog in a >hostile region (rightly or wrongly), the belief that without Israel >there can be no fulfillment of God's end-time plan is VERY pervasive. >It's hard to attend church in North America without hearing pro-Israeli >statements sprinkled into sermons and Bible classes, and a LOT of >Americans go to church every weekend. > > Because of my personal interest in eschatology, and because I'm a >Sabbatarian, I rub shoulders with many people in the Messianic >movement. I have yet to meet one who is not stridently supportive of >Israel, and the arguments I read in the articles you and Bob Malloy >posted are ones I've heard many times before. I'm weary of them! > > So while those of us who view this issue differently can (and do) >make a fuss about it, the only action that seems to be happening is that >doing so has landed me on some list, somewhere, that gets me harassed at >the border and airports; and every time I send a parcel across the line, >it gets opened for "inspection." I have no criminal record, I've done >nothing wrong, but I'm treated with suspicion in my own country. (I've >been detained at the border for up to seven hours without cause.) Now, >I'll grant that this is certainly not the same degree of mistreatment >that the civil rights activists endured, but I'm not doing anything >other than writing in forums like this one, using the telephone or >e-mail to speak to my senators and members of congress concerning these >issues, and sending the occasional e-mail to the White House when things >become outrageous. Good on you Robert. Quite a lot of people have ugly experiences in the US or entering the US these days because their name is on "some list", it seldom seems to make any sense, and the cases I've read of had nothing to do with Israel. I disagree with you on the same point again, where you claim these people make up the vast majority. I don't think they do, I don't think they ever did (though they make/made a disproportionate amount of noise). Best Keith > With 350 million (or so) people living in the United States, and >most of them fully convinced that my country is a light to the world, >that America is good in all she does, and that Israel MUST exist in >order for God's plans to be fulfilled, where is the opportunity for >change? The phrase "abiding by International Law" sounds very much like >"one world government" to American ears, and will get about as much >traction as an outright call to align with the Antichrist. I feel like >every time I raise my voice I get shouted down. You've admitted that >there is no point in arguing with fools who won't allow their minds to >change, even when confronted with clear evidence, yet the vast majority >of people in my country actually believe these things I've outlined. > > Change? Certainly I'd like to see it! But REAL change starts with >the person I see in the mirror. > >robert luis rabello >"The Edge of Justice" >"The Long Journey" >New Adventure for Your Mind >http://www.newadventure.ca > >Ranger Supercharger Project Page >http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list [email protected] http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
