Hi Jim >Keith, > >Thanks for the Copionics info. I hereby acknowledge you as one of the >ontological stewards of our intrepid crew.
:-) Seems I don't qualify though, I can never remember what ontological means, I have to look it up. "The branch of metaphysics dealing with the nature of being" it says here. Oh. No wonder. Maybe it's just that I'm a hoary old fart these days with a face of white stubble and a head full of clutter. (It says that here too, most of it. Here being my Mac's dictionary.) >I'll have to see what I can find >on Shaw, Copionics, and the WEO and share it with the Zeitgeist folks here >in Denver. > >"Indeed. There's a lot going on though, and for quite a long time, not >just a recent buzz. I've got quite a lot of updates on seeds to add >to the JtF site, when I get that far. There's quite a lot already >there though:" > >Yup, I know there is almost nothing truly new, just new to me. I don't worry >about it anymore. "The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us. I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven: this sore travail hath God given to the sons of man to be exercised therewith. I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit. That which is crooked cannot be made straight: and that which is wanting cannot be numbered. For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow." Anyway, truly new is just what we don't need when it comes to seeds, thanks just the same Monsanto et al. No GMOs under the sun. >I just stay in observational mode, seize what is useful, >and apply it to opportunities that seem to appear as if by...intention. Interesting, isn't it. It comes with a powerful sense of rightness when it happens that way, and usually it fits. >There is a comradely feel to all of the adaptations in play. Well, maybe not >all of them but a considerable mass. > >Anyway, thanks for the catalysts and, as a friend of mine is wont to say, >"strength to yer arm"...to which I would add, "rhythm to your feet". That's a good addition, thanks. Dunno who says that though, but strength to his elbow whoever he is, All best Keith >On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 2:55 AM, Keith Addison ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> Hi Jim >> >> >I agree with most of the observations about Food, Inc's shortcomings, i.e. >> >US-centric, spotty coverage, lack of depth, but come on guys, it is just a >> >documentary. However familiar the topics are to an informed and engaged >> >audience, I can tell you that it has served well to woke up a lay audience >> >in Denver to serious food issues. This has led to discussion, further >> >inquiry, and specific action to support local farmers. From where I sit, >> >that is a good thing. >> > >> >On the other topics, there is a Zeitgeist chapter here that I have >> connected >> >with in the past few weeks. I'll attend one of their gatherings in about >> ten >> >days. The extreme part of their message, as I understand it so far, is >> that >> >an ideal society would not use currency at all. The founder of the >> movement >> >has a rather involved economic theory centered around the argument that >> >scarcity is an artifice of the owners used to regulate prices and debt >> thus >> >ensuring a compliant consumer class. That is over -simplified, of course, >> >but my take away. >> >> Back in the 70s (?) an economist (I think it was an economist, or >> maybe economists) defined economics as "the science of artificially >> created shortages" and called for a new, reality-based approach, in >> this world of plenty, which he/they called "copionics", the science >> of plenty. >> >> Hm. Wait a bit... Right, got it: copionics, Arthur Shaw, 1970: >> "Copionics is the theory of global sufficiency. It's both an idea, a > > theory, and a means of effectuating plenty on a planetary basis." >> >> I'll post it in full, next message. >> >> >The only other film listed that I have seen is "The Future of Food" which >> is >> >also thought-provoking and informative for a lay audience. I enjoyed it. >> > >> >Aside from our local actions to identify and publicize local growers, food >> >processors, and vendors, a strategic target is to identify people involved >> >in the preservation of heirloom seeds. We've got a few informal networks >> in >> >Colorado but that seems to me to be one of the most pressing issues. >> >> Indeed. There's a lot going on though, and for quite a long time, not >> just a recent buzz. I've got quite a lot of updates on seeds to add >> to the JtF site, when I get that far. There's quite a lot already >> there though: >> >> Seeds of the world >> http://journeytoforever.org/seeds.html >> >> Organic gardening > Seeds >> http://journeytoforever.org/garden_seed.html >> >> All best >> >> Keith >> >> >> >On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Keith Addison >> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >> > >> >> Hi Ivan >> >> >> >> >Hi All, >> >> > >> >> >This weekend I watch 3 documentaries, >> >> >The first 2 a bit too extreme and utopical, but hey, you have to aim >> high, >> >> >"Zeitgeist" and "Zeitgeist addendum" >> >> >http://www.imdb.com/find?q=zeitgeist&sourceid=mozilla-search >> >> >> >> I haven't seen Zeitgeist yet, it's on my to-see list. Too extreme in >> >> which ways? >> >> >> >> >And the other "Food Inc", I read the book and I was like "nooo can >> not be >> >> >true. and the Monsanto is the devil campaign started in my brain" when >> I >> >> >read the book and then I saw the movie and it was nice to remember >> all, I >> >> am >> >> >a firm believer of what they say, if we do not buy it they will have >> to >> >> >change. >> >> >http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1286537/ >> >> >> >> That's also on my to-see list, but I put a question mark next to it >> >> after it got panned at the Organic Gardening List: >> >> >> >> >Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 06:37:36 -0700 >> >> >Sender: Organic Gardening Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >From: margaret lauterbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >Subject: "Food, Inc." >> >> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > >> >> >I had pre-ordered "Food, Inc.," and watched nearly all of the dvd >> >> >yesterday. What a disappointment! As you folks know, there's plenty >> >> >wrong with the food available in the U.S. This "expose" did a bit on >> >> >CAFOs, never touching on "downer" cattle or proclaimed tests for >> >> >BSE. Not a word about the prevalence among hogs of MRSA, or >> >> >Campylobacter among chickens, salmonella in eggs, etc. As I recall, >> >> >there was an allusion to feedlot runoff that spread e. coli to >> > > >spinach, but a more reasonable explanation I've heard was that a >> >> >wild boar ran through a feedlot, then through the spinach field. I >> >> >hadn't realized wild boars were numerous in California. I wonder if >> >> >the hunting season includes them. Nothing about the mega >> >> >pharmaceutical companies owning seed companies, intending to "grow" >> >> >pharmaceuticals. I think that's a good idea, because it would lower >> >> >the cost of pharmaceuticals, BUT they'd better re-think the idea of >> >> >growing pharma in outdoor corn fields. Pollen blows. There was a bit >> >> >about GM crops contaminating a farmer's field, and the onus put on >> >> >him to prove he didn't steal Monsanto's product. No mention that >> >> >some state laws put the burden on Monsanto to prove that a farmer >> >> >stole their product. There was a part about hfcs, too, but I think >> >> >they're late with that expose (and the rest). I'm finding a lot of >> >> >products I eat sweetened with cane syrup. The bottom line is, don't >> >> >blow bucks on this one. Margaret L >> >> >> >> What do you think? >> >> >> >> Others I'd noted, but haven't seen yet: >> >> >> >> King Corn >> >> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1112115/ >> >> < >> >> >> >> >> >>http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=%22Monsanto+-+Patent+For+a+Pig%22&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=WhkVS5iVCoyK6gPwsaC4BA&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBAQqwQwAA > > >> > >> >> >> >> Monsanto - Patent For a Pig >> >> < >> >> >> >> >> >>http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=%22Monsanto+-+Patent+For+a+Pig%22&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=WhkVS5iVCoyK6gPwsaC4BA&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBAQqwQwAA >> >> > >> >> >> >> The World According to Monsanto >> >> <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1189345/> >> >> ... with some reservations: >> >> <http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/article/470841> >> >> >> >> Bullshit (focus on Vandana Shiva) >> >> <http://www.peaholmquist.com/bullshit/about.htm> >> >> >> >> The Future of Food >> >> <http://www.imdb.com/video/snag/vi273285913/> >> >> >> >> This is useful, by the way, IMO: >> >> Movie Review Query Engine: >> >> <http://www.mrqe.com/> >> >> >> >> All best >> >> >> >> Keith >> >> >> >> >> >> >Enjoy the films and Happy Holidays! >> >> > > > > > >Ivan _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
