On 6/17/2010 5:44 PM, Keith Addison wrote: > Jim Chalker wrote: > > >> It was a joke! >> > No it wasn't. The tone was light but plaintive, and the words > "suspect" and "coordinated effort" are terms of accusation, not terms > that should be thrown about without a care in a public forum. It > seems you haven't had any offlist emails, so all you're complaining > about is a mere six emails a day over four days, seven of them from > you. Hardly overwhelming. > > Keith Addison > Journey to Forever > KYOTO Pref., Japan > http://journeytoforever.org/ > Biofuel list owner > > > >> On 6/17/2010 11:07 AM, Keith Addison wrote: >> > Jim >> >>> >> >> I see I am still >> >>>> getting new e-mails. I am beginning to suspect this is a coordinated >>>> effort to overwhelm me. >>>> >> >> >> >>> I'm not quite sure what you mean by this, especially as the two >>> latest messages in the discussion are both from you. >>> >>> As the list "owner", I know of no emails sent to you other than those >>> sent legitimately onlist, all of which can be checked at the list >>> archives, here: >>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/> >>> >>> My initial message introducing you to the list said "Please respond >>> onlist, not direct to Jim (he's a list member now)." >>> >>> If you are receiving offlist messages that you would rather not be >>> receiving, please let me know (off-list) and I will see what can be >>> done to put a stop to it. >>> >>> Keith Addison >>> Journey to Forever >>> KYOTO Pref., Japan >>> http://journeytoforever.org/ >>> Biofuel list owner >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 6/16/2010 6:11 PM, Chris Burck wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> jim, i posed some questions early on, which i'm glad to see you >>>>> answered (in part) when responding to jason. it would still help to >>>>> know what sort of funds you have to work with. whether it be your >>>>> economic development budget, or other funding streams which might be >>>>> under the control of other administrators, but which you could >>>>> influence in your capacity to coordinate programs. there are almost >>>>> certainly grant monies which you could bring in as well. not to >>>>> mention existing local business which might be convinced to donate >>>>> money or resources (materials, transportation, expertise) to the >>>>> cause. i would encourage you, if you haven't already, to explore all >>>>> of this. you might be surprised by what you can pull together. that >>>>> said, in my opinion fritz (i think it was fritz) and jason are on the >>>>> right track. and i wouldn't stop at biofuels. wind, solar, even >>>>> small scale hydro. all of these things require research (i.e. what >>>>> are the wind, water power, and biomass resources in your area). this >>>>> is where your community colleges, tecnical schools and so on would >>>>> play a key role. when it comes to actually put shovels in the ground, >>>>> so to speak, lots of materials are to be had for next to nothing at >>>>> your local scrap metal yard or trash dump. i could go on, but the >>>>> point is, there is much you can do that doesn't hinge entirely on >>>>> whether or not some outside entity decides to bring their venture, >>>>> >>>>> >>>> > which might or might succed, to your neighborhood. >>>> > >>>> Chris, >>>> >>>> /"it would still help to know what sort of funds you have to work with"/ >>>> >>>> None of which I know. But we have a state USDA director who is very >>>> excited about algae. I'll see how interested he might be. From there >>>> I'll go looking. >>>> >>>> /"not to mention existing local business which might be convinced to >>>> donate money or resources (materials, transportation, expertise"/ >>>> >>>> >> >> I have been in touch with a VP at AlgaeVenture. My governor's regional >> >>>> director has promised me that the two of us are going up there to meet >>>> with them. Be sure I'll bring the matter up for discussion. There is >>>> another firm out west with whose president I have also been >>>> corresponding. I think either firm might take a project like this under >>>> its wings as long as no investment was being sought. (These guys are >>>> >> >> all looking for money themselves) >> >>>> /"and i wouldn't stop at biofuels. wind, solar, even small scale hydro"/ >>>> >>>> And let's not forget there are other uses for algae, animal feedstock, >>>> cosmetics, pharmaceuticals, etc. As for wind, southern Ohio is a very >>>> poor place for wind. PV solar is being explored here. We are having >>>> trouble getting farmers to offer suitable land for lease for solar >>>> farms. Looking at rooftop deployment, limited footprint available. I >>>> keep plugging, though I am not a particular fan of PV, even though my >>>> senior project in engineering school was on PV and I worked in the >>>> semicinductor industry for years. It's just too expensive yet. >>>> Scientists and engineers are working on bringing up the efficiency but >>>> all their solutions look terribly expensive to me. Still we can hope. >>>> >>>> I want all of you to know that you have me looking at this from a new >>>> angle. It was flawed thinking to hope that I could attract a business >>>> here. This locally focused, locally grown concept sounds much more >>>> viable. We could start by educating a core group of local young people, >>>> light a fire under them and be ready to step in and help them in any way >>>> we can. Then let's see what they can get done. And don't castigate me >>>> for focusing too much on algae. It's just that it offers the greatest >>>> opportunity for serious learning. >>>> >>>> I have a broadband deployment meeting to go to (see I actually do have >>>> legitimate work to do - Ha). I need to take off. I see I am still >>>> getting new e-mails. I am beginning to suspect this is a coordinated >>>> effort to overwhelm me. But I appreciate your help, all of you. >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> >> >> P.S. Small scale hydro, huh? That might deserve a look. >> > >> It was a joke! >> > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > OK,
If you are going to accuse me in this fashion please remove me from this mailing list! Jim _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
