On 6/18/2010 9:22 AM, Keith Addison wrote: > Jim Chalker wrote: > > >> OK, >> >> If you are going to accuse me in this fashion >> > It was a straightforward comment, and I didn't expect you to like it, > but I don't see how you can call it an accusation. The terms of > accusation were all yours. > > >> please remove me from this >> mailing list! >> > I'm afraid you have to do that yourself. The unsubscribe details are > in the headers of every message you receive from the list. You'll > need your password, which you were sent when you were subscribed. If > you didn't see it or lost it you can have it emailed to you. > > Keith Addison > Journey to Forever > KYOTO Pref., Japan > http://journeytoforever.org/ > Biofuel list owner > > > >> Jim >> >> On 6/17/2010 5:44 PM, Keith Addison wrote: >> > Jim Chalker wrote: >> >>> >> >> It was a joke! >> >>>> >>>> >>> No it wasn't. The tone was light but plaintive, and the words >>> "suspect" and "coordinated effort" are terms of accusation, not terms >>> that should be thrown about without a care in a public forum. It >>> seems you haven't had any offlist emails, so all you're complaining >>> about is a mere six emails a day over four days, seven of them from >>> you. Hardly overwhelming. >>> >>> Keith Addison >>> Journey to Forever >>> KYOTO Pref., Japan >>> http://journeytoforever.org/ >>> Biofuel list owner >>> >> > >> >>> >> >> On 6/17/2010 11:07 AM, Keith Addison wrote: >> >>>> > Jim >>>> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>> I see I am still >> >>>> getting new e-mails. I am beginning to suspect this is a >> coordinated >> >>>>>> effort to overwhelm me. >>>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> I'm not quite sure what you mean by this, especially as the two >> >>>>> latest messages in the discussion are both from you. >>>>> >>>>> As the list "owner", I know of no emails sent to you other than those >>>>> sent legitimately onlist, all of which can be checked at the list >>>>> archives, here: >>>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/> >>>>> >>>>> My initial message introducing you to the list said "Please respond >>>>> onlist, not direct to Jim (he's a list member now)." >>>>> >>>>> If you are receiving offlist messages that you would rather not be >>>>> receiving, please let me know (off-list) and I will see what can be >>>>> done to put a stop to it. >>>>> >>>>> Keith Addison >>>>> Journey to Forever >>>>> KYOTO Pref., Japan >>>>> http://journeytoforever.org/ >>>>> Biofuel list owner >>>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> On 6/16/2010 6:11 PM, Chris Burck wrote: >> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> jim, i posed some questions early on, which i'm glad to see you >>>>>>> answered (in part) when responding to jason. it would still help >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> know what sort of funds you have to work with. whether it be your >>>>>>> economic development budget, or other funding streams which might >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> under the control of other administrators, but which you could >>>>>>> influence in your capacity to coordinate programs. there are >>>>>>> almost >>>>>>> certainly grant monies which you could bring in as well. not to >>>>>>> mention existing local business which might be convinced to donate >>>>>>> money or resources (materials, transportation, expertise) to the >>>>>>> cause. i would encourage you, if you haven't already, to >>>>>>> explore all >>>>>>> of this. you might be surprised by what you can pull >>>>>>> together. that >>>>>>> said, in my opinion fritz (i think it was fritz) and jason >>>>>>> are on the >>>>>>> right track. and i wouldn't stop at biofuels. wind, solar, even >>>>>>> small scale hydro. all of these things require research (i.e. >>>>>>> what >>>>>>> are the wind, water power, and biomass resources in your >>>>>>> area). this >>>>>>> is where your community colleges, tecnical schools and so on would >>>>>>> play a key role. when it comes to actually put shovels in >>>>>>> the ground, >>>>>>> so to speak, lots of materials are to be had for next to nothing >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> your local scrap metal yard or trash dump. i could go on, but the >>>>>>> point is, there is much you can do that doesn't hinge entirely on >>>>>>> whether or not some outside entity decides to bring their venture, >>>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> > which might or might succed, to your neighborhood. >>>>>> > >>>>>> Chris, >>>>>> >>>>>> /"it would still help to know what sort of funds you have to >>>>>> work with"/ >>>>>> >>>>>> None of which I know. But we have a state USDA director who is very >>>>>> excited about algae. I'll see how interested he might be. From >>>>>> there >>>>>> I'll go looking. >>>>>> >>>>>> /"not to mention existing local business which might be convinced to >>>>>> donate money or resources (materials, transportation, expertise"/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> I have been in touch with a VP at AlgaeVenture. My >>>> governor's regional >>>> >>>> >>>>>> director has promised me that the two of us are going up there to >>>>>> meet >>>>>> with them. Be sure I'll bring the matter up for discussion. There >>>>>> is >>>>>> another firm out west with whose president I have also been >>>>>> corresponding. I think either firm might take a project like >>>>>> this under >>>>>> its wings as long as no investment was being sought. (These guys are >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> all looking for money themselves) >>>> >>>> >>>>>> /"and i wouldn't stop at biofuels. wind, solar, even small >>>>>> scale hydro"/ >>>>>> >>>>>> And let's not forget there are other uses for algae, animal >>>>>> feedstock, >>>>>> cosmetics, pharmaceuticals, etc. As for wind, southern Ohio is a >>>>>> very >>>>>> poor place for wind. PV solar is being explored here. We are >>>>>> having >>>>>> trouble getting farmers to offer suitable land for lease for solar >>>>>> farms. Looking at rooftop deployment, limited footprint available. >>>>>> I >>>>>> keep plugging, though I am not a particular fan of PV, even though my >>>>>> senior project in engineering school was on PV and I worked in the >>>>>> semicinductor industry for years. It's just too expensive yet. >>>>>> Scientists and engineers are working on bringing up the efficiency >>>>>> but >>>>>> all their solutions look terribly expensive to me. Still we can >>>>>> hope. >>>>>> >>>>>> I want all of you to know that you have me looking at this from a new >>>>>> angle. It was flawed thinking to hope that I could attract a >>>>>> business >>>>>> here. This locally focused, locally grown concept sounds much more >>>>>> viable. We could start by educating a core group of local >>>>>> young people, >>>>>> light a fire under them and be ready to step in and help them >>>>>> in any way >>>>>> we can. Then let's see what they can get done. And don't castigate >>>>>> me >>>>>> for focusing too much on algae. It's just that it offers the >>>>>> greatest >>>>>> opportunity for serious learning. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a broadband deployment meeting to go to (see I actually do >>>>>> have >>>>>> legitimate work to do - Ha). I need to take off. I see I am still >>>>>> getting new e-mails. I am beginning to suspect this is a coordinated >>>>>> effort to overwhelm me. But I appreciate your help, all of you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jim >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> P.S. Small scale hydro, huh? That might deserve a look. >>>> > >>>> >> >> It was a joke! >> > >> >>> >> OK, >> >> If you are going to accuse me in this fashion please remove me from this >> mailing list! >> >> Jim >> > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > I told you it was a joke. You came back and called me a liar. It's that simple.
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