I would also add that it is good to look at the demand side of energy use also. Large arrays of skycraper sized wind towers can give the false illusion that it is ok to keep consuming large amounts of energy, instead of looking for ways to reduce.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:54:15 -0400 "George Adams" writes: There is also a more long term kind of question I have never heard raised but on a list like this it ought to be asked: what kinds of metals, and inorganic materials go into these PV systems? In particular, when they have reached replacement or obsolescence age, will they be a disposal or recycling burden such as our old computers and TV sets have become? Are some PV technologies inherently more environmentally sound than others? I would assume disposal costs should be part of total life cycle and a requisite part of the thinking if we really are all about sustainability. In my view George is right - few people attempt the full energy accounting to find out if so-called renewables like solar, or any other 'green' technology is really sustainable without oil. A most important question in addition to the ones George asked is: How much oil does it take to build and maintain an alternative energy source? I think a true energy account will reveal that key processes of constructing, delivering and maintaining alternative energy like wind or solar on a scale that would replace much of current fossil fuel consumption, require oil itself in large quantities. As an example, let's take massive, centralized, grid-feeding wind electric, of which, on a recent trip across Spain I saw many arrays across the landscape, each bigger than the array we have in New York in Madison County. Unlike electrical energy from wind, solar, or any other source, oil energy has special properties (liquidity, high energy density) that are necessary to do the heavy work of earth moving to prepare the sites, mine the raw materials to make the big wind machines, forge the metal, make the plastic parts, transport these monsters to the sites, and erect them, and then do all that all over again to replace them when they wear out. We are so used to an oil-dependent industrial infrastructure that it become invisible and left out of our accounting when we consider what technologies might facilitate our inevitable conversion to a non-oil society. Small, local energy alternatives for on-site energy use that use simple technologies and materials and supply minimal needs, not the gross overconsumption the industrial age is used to, might fare better by comparison, in a total life cycle assessment of sustainability. Karl North Northland Sheep Dairy, Freetown, New York USA www.geocities.com/northsheep/ "Mother Nature never farms without animals" - Albert Howard "Pueblo que canta no morira" - Cuban saying _______________________________________________ RSS, archives, subscription & listserv information for: [email protected] http://lists.mutualaid.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainabletompkins free hosting by http://www.mutualaid.org --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. _______________________________________________ RSS, archives, subscription & listserv information for: [email protected] http://lists.mutualaid.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainabletompkins free hosting by http://www.mutualaid.org
