--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Lincoln Mitchell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I hope no one feels I am trying to poach members off this list by writing > this post. I feel it's a constructive response top the silver light thread > that may help some members of the list. > > I have been a SVG evangelist for many years even to the point where it > contributed to me losing my job. Over the years I have had to admit that SVG > was not going to meet my goal of creating great looking user interfaces.
Excuse me, but speak for yourself. Was SVG that didn't meet your goal? Shouldn't you phrase like this instead: "I wasn't able to meet my goal of creating great looking user interfaces using SVG" > Then I read about RIA's and I think I now have a path and it may even > include SVG. RIA is only a conceptual denomination, like multimedia used to be. If you consider that a path, I'm scared. If you're striving to be a creator I urge you to get a deeper insight. > > I was reading the posts on Silverlight. From my knowledge Silverlight is one > of many new Rich Internet Applications (RIA) that aim take the web to the > next creative level. I my self use the RIA Flex/Flash/Apollo and I have also > of Java FX as a contender in this space. Seems all the big boys are in on > this. That is the eternal promise that we are going to be smashed by the next compelling experience brought to us by so and so. The reality is different, those packages really act as constrictors of the imagination, being based on the principle of tool and object libraries. The designer or the programmer ends up being a simple assembler. I'm not talking business here, I'm talking creation since you use that concept. RIA does not mean we are going to be cloning interfaces and applications the same way that has happened in the video game market. No, thanks. A programmer uses a totally different bias, he must have, or must acquire, the ability to find imaginative solutions using whatever language he sees as the most appropriate. And a designer cannot be confined to a little set of CTT (Cute Tiny Tools). Let's not confuse tools and toys. Tools are for workers; toys are for children to simulate work. Where SVG is a concept, these other "magic tools" are produced with the sole intention of selling encapsulated copies of open standard languages under the label "elixir of creation". > > It appears to me that SVG offers only one part of the puzzle that makes up a > RIA. It should not therefore be compared to the whole of a RIA but to a part > of it, the part that deals with rendering vector images. I don't think anyone ever dreamt of comparing SVG to the whole of a RIA, as you say. This is truly extraordinary! > > W3C is started a Rich Web Client (RWC) activity that will include SVG. Here > is the link. http://www.w3.org/2006/rwc/ > > Simply put - If you are trying to use SVG to create next generation UI's > then you are not using the right tool. You are making a statement against opposing evidence. > I believe many members like myself > will come to this conclusion and partially or fully leave the SVG arena for > a while at least until this W3C RWC initiative becomes a standard with SVG > as a core technology. If you, together with many members, think that butterflying from one flower to the other will make a better creator of you, then good luck! > > In saying that I personally will not be abandoning SVG altogether. It is > possible to integrate inline SVG within Flex. Not sure if Silverlight can do > this, if it can't I would encourage UI oriented members of the group to > follow suit and see what's possible with SVG/Flex at least till W3C's RWC > catches up. W3C doesn't normally "catch up". It does a totally different thing. > > For those not interested in corporate software, you will be please to know > that Flex is to become open source. If the SVG community gets behind the > future development of Flex then we could extend this SVG RIA development > environment whilst also contributing to the w3c efforts. It's unlikely that that should happen. > > I think many on the list are like me - a UI guy that thought SVG would take > me to utopia. That's very nice. But take a look around, you ARE in utopia! > So to you I hope this post helps to put things in perspective. > And maybe we could get of the backs of all the other SVG guys that clearly > take offence to our ramblings. Please, don't generalize. Your message is very clear and deserves all the attention. Kind regards, Domenico > > Kind regards, > > Linc > ----- To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" ---- Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
