--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Quintero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Give it a break fellows. > > What a stupid can of worms. This is not a political list. > > Just information and technology and help and even insight. > > It can be SVG tech, or the limits of SVG tech, or other tech which adds to > SVG, or even competes with SVG by way of examination. > > But who wants to swallow political opinions? Indigestion. > > Stephen
Hey, if this little gives you stomach ache you should stick by Joe and Sally. > > > > On 6/4/07, Domenico Strazzullo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com <svg-developers% 40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Lincoln Mitchell" > > <lincoln@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I hope no one feels I am trying to poach members off this list by > > writing > > > this post. I feel it's a constructive response top the silver light > > thread > > > that may help some members of the list. > > > > > > I have been a SVG evangelist for many years even to the point where > > it > > > contributed to me losing my job. Over the years I have had to admit > > that SVG > > > was not going to meet my goal of creating great looking user > > interfaces. > > > > Excuse me, but speak for yourself. Was SVG that didn't meet your > > goal? Shouldn't you phrase like this instead: "I wasn't able to meet > > my goal of creating great looking user interfaces using SVG" > > > > > Then I read about RIA's and I think I now have a path and it may > > even > > > include SVG. > > > > RIA is only a conceptual denomination, like multimedia used to be. If > > you consider that a path, I'm scared. If you're striving to be a > > creator I urge you to get a deeper insight. > > > > > > > > I was reading the posts on Silverlight. From my knowledge > > Silverlight is one > > > of many new Rich Internet Applications (RIA) that aim take the web > > to the > > > next creative level. I my self use the RIA Flex/Flash/Apollo and I > > have also > > > of Java FX as a contender in this space. Seems all the big boys are > > in on > > > this. > > > > That is the eternal promise that we are going to be smashed by the > > next compelling experience brought to us by so and so. The reality is > > different, those packages really act as constrictors of the > > imagination, being based on the principle of tool and object > > libraries. The designer or the programmer ends up being a simple > > assembler. I'm not talking business here, I'm talking creation since > > you use that concept. RIA does not mean we are going to be cloning > > interfaces and applications the same way that has happened in the > > video game market. No, thanks. A programmer uses a totally different > > bias, he must have, or must acquire, the ability to find imaginative > > solutions using whatever language he sees as the most appropriate. > > And a designer cannot be confined to a little set of CTT (Cute Tiny > > Tools). Let's not confuse tools and toys. Tools are for workers; toys > > are for children to simulate work. Where SVG is a concept, these > > other "magic tools" are produced with the sole intention of selling > > encapsulated copies of open standard languages under the > > label "elixir of creation". > > > > > > > > It appears to me that SVG offers only one part of the puzzle that > > makes up a > > > RIA. It should not therefore be compared to the whole of a RIA but > > to a part > > > of it, the part that deals with rendering vector images. > > > > I don't think anyone ever dreamt of comparing SVG to the whole of a > > RIA, as you say. This is truly extraordinary! > > > > > > > > W3C is started a Rich Web Client (RWC) activity that will include > > SVG. Here > > > is the link. http://www.w3.org/2006/rwc/ > > > > > > Simply put - If you are trying to use SVG to create next generation > > UI's > > > then you are not using the right tool. > > > > You are making a statement against opposing evidence. > > > > > I believe many members like myself > > > will come to this conclusion and partially or fully leave the SVG > > arena for > > > a while at least until this W3C RWC initiative becomes a standard > > with SVG > > > as a core technology. > > > > If you, together with many members, think that butterflying from one > > flower to the other will make a better creator of you, then good luck! > > > > > > > > In saying that I personally will not be abandoning SVG altogether. > > It is > > > possible to integrate inline SVG within Flex. Not sure if > > Silverlight can do > > > this, if it can't I would encourage UI oriented members of the > > group to > > > follow suit and see what's possible with SVG/Flex at least till > > W3C's RWC > > > catches up. > > > > W3C doesn't normally "catch up". It does a totally different thing. > > > > > > > > For those not interested in corporate software, you will be please > > to know > > > that Flex is to become open source. If the SVG community gets > > behind the > > > future development of Flex then we could extend this SVG RIA > > development > > > environment whilst also contributing to the w3c efforts. > > > > It's unlikely that that should happen. > > > > > > > > I think many on the list are like me - a UI guy that thought SVG > > would take > > > me to utopia. > > > > That's very nice. But take a look around, you ARE in utopia! > > > > > So to you I hope this post helps to put things in perspective. > > > And maybe we could get of the backs of all the other SVG guys that > > clearly > > > take offence to our ramblings. > > > > Please, don't generalize. Your message is very clear and deserves all > > the attention. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Domenico > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > Linc > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ----- To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" ---- Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! 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