Mars does NOT use WebKit. It does, however, share some technology with ASV. Remember that Mars' use of SVG is strictly for static page description and does not include any of the more "dynamic" aspects (ie. no filters or scripting).
AIR, however, does use WebKit - though versioin 1.0 will not include SVG support. Leonard On 8/23/07, Domenico Strazzullo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com <svg-developers%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Leonard Rosenthol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I don't know if Adobe is pursuing ASV or not (though I suspect not), > > Leonard, > > First of all, thank you for replying. > > Then I understand that SVG support in Mars is through webkit, like for > AIR, since you > probably estimated that ASV is not anymore up to the task. You must have > noticed in fact > that the couple webkit/Safari is probably a dozen times faster in > rendering and probably > several hundred times faster in interpreting; really close, if not > superior to compiled > languages (win 32 2.2GHz mono. I'll be happy to point you to visual > evidence). This is at > least my fresh experience with Safari 3.0.3. > > If you can confirm the use of webkit with Mars, then what does supporting > ASV mean? My > reasoning is that the explanation is in Mr Ferraiolo's post 59149. Between > Apple, that was > overlooked, and Java FX, Adobe and MS are bound to be in a very > uncomfortable position > sooner than expected, due to their invalid strategies. The Flash > acquisition excitement > having died out, plus the reality that Flash will never be able to attract > talented > composers, apart from simple illustrators (if you care I could provide you > with proven and > irrefutable philosophical arguments that anticipated and corroborate the > actual evidence), > made that Adobe decided to play in two different pictures, but in a > dubious way, by > adopting Open Source technology, vuluntarily amputating it to suit it's > blameful strategy > (deactivation of SVG, followed by contradictory statements, or shall I say > lies (personal > evidence)) and giving in counterpart some proprietary technology to the > Open Source > which really hides an overcalculated return investment. At that level to > call it machiavelism > would mean to offend Macchiavelli. Adobe is naif in thinking that people > are naif and > cannot do 2+2. For similar reasons, being aware that the clients cited by > Mr Ferraiolo will > turn away sooner than later from ASV, Adobe wishes legitimately to make > them think that > it is still supporting them. On the other end you seem to think that ASV's > development will > not be pursued. So, what do we gain? We are supposed to keep ASV warm with > nothing in > return, perhaps putting a hold on the devastating advance of Opera and > especially Apple > webkit. > > In reality, way sooner than Adobe or MS can anticipate Safari will > completely replace IE > with strong Opera and FF behind. Adobe wanted to prematurely kill their > wonder child ASV > because they lost their minds (you can tell by the choice of their France > head, the Leader > Price type of jerk manager who puts on a light and sound show of the 80's > type, proudly > announcing that the kids want videos and Adobe is going to give it to > them, or something > like that. I couldn't split because I was crucified on my chair and also > because I was > interested in seeing how low humans can get). Now Adobe wants to try to > bring it back to > life without putting any investment in it, by simply counting on OUR > support. I'm sorry, I > was an unconditional ASV aficionado for seven years, but overnight I > adopted Safari, and > to a lesser extent Opera, and I'm afraid this is irreversible unless Adobe > makes a real effort > and adopts an honest and transparent strategy in respect to ASV and all > the rest of the > bazar. > > Even if it's off topic I have to say this, it's insane to think that a > mammoth company can > develop its strategy based simply on commercial considerations, refusing > to assume the > burden of the sociological status that was bestowed on it. Maybe Adobe > hasn't realized yet > what kind of a giant it has become, and still has to learn how to behave > like one. People > want giants to be gentle giants, otherwise they destroy them. Adobe has a > few specimens > of older giants around it to learn from. > > I am perfectly aware that you may not be allowed to reply to this in a > clear and > straightforward manner, given the traditional Adobe's "omerta" policy, > although you seem > to be a sincere and cool person. After all we just need to see how > loquacious Mr Ferraiolo > has becaome on the subject since after he split. > > Thank you for your attention and best regards, > > Domenico Strazzullo > > > HOWEVER, we are using/supporting SVG in a variety of our future > technologies > > including Mars (XML-friendly PDF) and XFA (our XML-based forms > technology). > > In addition, Illustrator continues to generate SVG and SVG-T. And more > to > > come... > > > > Leonard Rosenthol > > Adobe Systems > > > > On 8/21/07, Domenico Strazzullo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Thank you! Does it mean that now Adobe will keep improving ASV? Now > that > > > Apple webkit > > > has put the bar so high it would be good for Adobe to go back to the > track > > > and try to stay in > > > the race. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----- To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" ---- Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
