> On Aug 19, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Enrico Granata via swift-lldb-dev 
> <swift-lldb-...@swift.org> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Aug 19, 2016, at 2:44 PM, Jim Ingham via swift-lldb-dev 
>> <swift-lldb-...@swift.org <mailto:swift-lldb-...@swift.org>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 19, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Daniel Dunbar via swift-lldb-dev 
>>> <swift-lldb-...@swift.org <mailto:swift-lldb-...@swift.org>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 19, 2016, at 2:22 PM, Todd Fiala <todd.fi...@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:todd.fi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> First off, I think the whole LLDB team can agree on the simple principle 
>>>> that tests that sometimes fail is not something we’re shooting for, so 
>>>> we’re on the same page with the general sentiment.
>>>> 
>>>> But, rather than talking in sweeping generalizations, let’s take this 
>>>> exact failure as an example.  It was a socket attempting to connect.  It 
>>>> uses general socket timeouts.  If it’s using a default, it will typically 
>>>> be something like 30 seconds.  Per my previous comment, this is not 
>>>> something we see fail with any kind of frequency. We just had a failure on 
>>>> it now.  Is the solution to say we want 35 seconds?  1 minute?  2 minutes? 
>>>>  We’re using end-to-end testing here, and therefore we are subject to how 
>>>> a real system behaves.  If we crank that up, there could be a time where 
>>>> we overload the server further, and the socket facility just fails.  What 
>>>> do you do then, claim the test as unworthy?
>>>> 
>>>> The challenge we run into on LLDB is that, while we do have a growing 
>>>> number of unit tests that are strict input/output verification, far too 
>>>> much of a functioning debugger’s operations are not covered adequately by 
>>>> that.  So we have a large body of end to end tests.  Sometimes those fail 
>>>> under heavy load.  Sometimes those issues are ours - we have hidden races 
>>>> that are only exposed when the machine is grinding to a halt.  Sometimes 
>>>> it is that the OS fails to handle requests for resources that the debugger 
>>>> needs.
>>>> 
>>>> So it isn’t as simple as saying “file a bug to make the LLDB test suite 
>>>> more reliable.”  (I wish it were!)
>>> 
>>> This is specifically why I proposed a concrete strategy like running a 
>>> stress test of the test suite. That is actionable, and should shake some 
>>> bugs I would hope?
>>> 
>>> Another actionable strategies (although one I'm not a big fan of) is 
>>> enhance the test suite to automatically re-attempt flaky tests.
>> 
>> The test suite already does this.
> 
> But only for tests that are explicitly marked as flakey - which this test 
> wasn't because - as Todd points out - it is not one of the usual known 
> culprits

I’m running the tests with —rerun-all-issues (per the swift build script).  
That actually will rerun all issues, not just ones marked flaky.   Most of the 
upstream LLVM.org <http://llvm.org/> buidbots run in the mode where only flaky 
tests are rerun, but we’re not there yet across all our platforms on the GitHub 
side.

> 
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On the positive side, we have more resources going into improving our 
>>>> quality in the upcoming months, and we now have a dedicated quality 
>>>> engineer working with us.  I expect this will help things as we move 
>>>> forward.  And we’re looking to sink some of the system testing that 
>>>> currently exists end-to-end in LLDB to a more input-output style testing 
>>>> that we can do without needing the whole of LLDB (e.g. DWARF verification, 
>>>> DWARF type round-tripping through the compiler, etc. - Greg and Sean can 
>>>> speak more to what we’re doing there).
>>> 
>>> Great!
>>> 
>>> - Daniel
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The net effect is that we should be hitting less of this noise.
>>>> 
>>>> -Todd
>>>> On August 19, 2016 at 2:10:14 PM, Daniel Dunbar via swift-lldb-dev 
>>>> (swift-lldb-...@swift.org <mailto:swift-lldb-...@swift.org>) wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> The amount of flakiness in the LLDB tests is disturbing... is there a 
>>>>> high-level bug tracking improving this? It seems like it might be worth 
>>>>> running a stress test of the tests on a loaded machine to try and shake 
>>>>> out such problems.
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Daniel
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 19, 2016, at 1:58 PM, Todd Fiala via swift-lldb-dev 
>>>>>> <swift-lldb-...@swift.org <mailto:swift-lldb-...@swift.org>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 19, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Enrico Granata <egran...@apple.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:egran...@apple.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Aug 19, 2016, at 11:20 AM, Todd Fiala via swift-lldb-dev 
>>>>>>>> <swift-lldb-...@swift.org <mailto:swift-lldb-...@swift.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It looks like this may be the packaging build:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> oss-swift-package-linux-ubuntu-15_10
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It was this build:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> https://ci.swift.org/job/oss-swift-package-linux-ubuntu-15_10/1930/consoleFull#465392916fca400bf-2f4a-462e-b517-e058d770b2d7
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> <https://ci.swift.org/job/oss-swift-package-linux-ubuntu-15_10/1930/consoleFull#465392916fca400bf-2f4a-462e-b517-e058d770b2d7>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It has since gone blue.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I don’t think I recall ever seeing that test fail before in an 
>>>>>>>> intermittent way, but that might be what happened here.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Given the failure mode, it does sound likely:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> File "/usr/lib/python2.7/socket.py", line 206, in accept sock, addr
>>>>>>> = self._sock.accept() timeout: timed out
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If we see that again, we may be able to tweak the socket timeout to 
>>>>>> allow for heavily loaded test CI.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -Todd
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 19, 2016, at 11:15 AM, Kate Stone via swift-lldb-dev 
>>>>>>>>> <swift-lldb-...@swift.org <mailto:swift-lldb-...@swift.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Where is this failure being reported?  I’m not seeing anything on 
>>>>>>>>> swift-3.0-branch or master on ci.swift.org <http://ci.swift.org/>.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Kate Stone k8st...@apple.com <mailto:k8st...@apple.com>
>>>>>>>>>  Xcode Low Level Tools
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 19, 2016, at 12:15 AM, mishal_shah via swift-lldb-dev 
>>>>>>>>>> <swift-lldb-...@swift.org <mailto:swift-lldb-...@swift.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> + swift-lldb-dev group.  
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 18, 2016, at 9:47 PM, Daniel Dunbar <daniel_dun...@apple.com 
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:daniel_dun...@apple.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Failing in lldb:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Command invoked:
>>>>>>>>>>> /home/buildnode/jenkins/workspace/oss-swift-package-linux-ubuntu-15_10/lldb/test/dotest.py
>>>>>>>>>>> --executable
>>>>>>>>>>> /home/buildnode/jenkins/workspace/oss-swift-package-linux-ubuntu-15_10/build/buildbot_linux/lldb-linux-x86_64/bin/lldb
>>>>>>>>>>> --rerun-all-issues -C
>>>>>>>>>>> /home/buildnode/jenkins/workspace/oss-swift-package-linux-ubuntu-15_10/build/buildbot_linux/llvm-linux-x86_64/bin/clang
>>>>>>>>>>> -s 2016-08-18-15_15_07 --results-port 41187 --inferior -p
>>>>>>>>>>> TestStubReverseConnect.py
>>>>>>>>>>> /home/buildnode/jenkins/workspace/oss-swift-package-linux-ubuntu-15_10/lldb/packages/Python/lldbsuite/test
>>>>>>>>>>> --event-add-entries worker_index=14:int Configuration: arch=x86_64
>>>>>>>>>>> compiler=/home/buildnode/jenkins/workspace/oss-swift-package-linux-ubuntu-15_10/build/buildbot_linux/llvm-linux-x86_64/bin/clang
>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Collected 2 tests
>>>>>>>>>>> ======================================================================
>>>>>>>>>>> ERROR: test_reverse_connect_works_llgs
>>>>>>>>>>> (TestStubReverseConnect.TestStubReverseConnect)
>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Traceback (most recent call last): File
>>>>>>>>>>> "/home/buildnode/jenkins/workspace/oss-swift-package-linux-ubuntu-15_10/lldb/packages/Python/lldbsuite/test/decorators.py",
>>>>>>>>>>> line 121, in wrapper func(*args, **kwargs) File
>>>>>>>>>>> "/home/buildnode/jenkins/workspace/oss-swift-package-linux-ubuntu-15_10/lldb/packages/Python/lldbsuite/test/decorators.py",
>>>>>>>>>>> line 121, in wrapper func(*args, **kwargs) File
>>>>>>>>>>> "/home/buildnode/jenkins/workspace/oss-swift-package-linux-ubuntu-15_10/lldb/packages/Python/lldbsuite/test/tools/lldb-server/commandline/TestStubReverseConnect.py",
>>>>>>>>>>> line 89, in test_reverse_connect_works_llgs
>>>>>>>>>>> self.reverse_connect_works() File
>>>>>>>>>>> "/home/buildnode/jenkins/workspace/oss-swift-package-linux-ubuntu-15_10/lldb/packages/Python/lldbsuite/test/tools/lldb-server/commandline/TestStubReverseConnect.py",
>>>>>>>>>>> line 67, in reverse_connect_works (stub_socket, address) =
>>>>>>>>>>> self.listener_socket.accept() File "/usr/lib/python2.7/socket.py",
>>>>>>>>>>> line 206, in accept sock, addr = self._sock.accept() timeout: timed
>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>> Config=x86_64-/home/buildnode/jenkins/workspace/oss-swift-package-linux-ubuntu-15_10/build/buildbot_linux/llvm-linux-x86_64/bin/clang-3.9
>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Ran 2 tests in 22.006s RESULT: FAILED (0 passes, 0 failures, 1
>>>>>>>>>>> errors, 1 skipped, 0 expected failures, 0 unexpected successes)
>>>>>>>>>>> Session logs for test failures/errors/unexpected successes can be
>>>>>>>>>>> found in directory '2016-08-18-15_15_07'
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> [TestStubReverseConnect.py
>>>>>>>>>>> FAILED]
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Command invoked: /usr/bin/python
>>>>>>>>>>> /home/buildnode/jenkins/workspace/oss-swift-package-linux-ubuntu-15_10/lldb/test/dotest.py
>>>>>>>>>>> --executable
>>>>>>>>>>> /home/buildnode/jenkins/workspace/oss-swift-package-linux-ubuntu-15_10/build/buildbot_linux/lldb-linux-x86_64/bin/lldb
>>>>>>>>>>> --rerun-all-issues -C
>>>>>>>>>>> /home/buildnode/jenkins/workspace/oss-swift-package-linux-ubuntu-15_10/build/buildbot_linux/llvm-linux-x86_64/bin/clang
>>>>>>>>>>> -s 2016-08-18-15_15_07 --results-port 41187 --inferior -p
>>>>>>>>>>> TestStubReverseConnect.py
>>>>>>>>>>> /home/buildnode/jenkins/workspace/oss-swift-package-linux-ubuntu-15_10/lldb/packages/Python/lldbsuite/test
>>>>>>>>>>> --event-add-entries worker_index=14:int
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> - Daniel
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 18, 2016, at 9:18 PM, no-re...@swift.org 
>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:no-re...@swift.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> [FAILURE] oss-swift-package-linux-ubuntu-15_10 [#1930]
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Build URL: 
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://ci.swift.org/job/oss-swift-package-linux-ubuntu-15_10/1930/
>>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://ci.swift.org/job/oss-swift-package-linux-ubuntu-15_10/1930/>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Project:   oss-swift-package-linux-ubuntu-15_10
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date of build:     Thu, 18 Aug 2016 20:26:52 -0700
>>>>>>>>>>>> Build duration:    51 min
>>>>>>>>>>>> Identified problems:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>    • Regression test failed: This build failed because a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> regression test in the test suite FAILed. Below is a list of all 
>>>>>>>>>>>> errors:
>>>>>>>>>>>>            • Indication 1
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Changes
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>    • Commit 2ebab526bfd7a5ce6ef460bebee0399fe669612d by xi_ge:
>>>>>>>>>>>> [FixCode] Apply
>>>>>>>>>>>> coercion fixits on return statement and initialization
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>            • edit: test/FixCode/fixits-apply-objc.swift
>>>>>>>>>>>>            • edit: test/FixCode/fixits-apply-objc.swift.result
>>>>>>>>>>>>            • edit: lib/Sema/CSDiag.cpp
>>>>>>>>>>>>            • edit: test/FixCode/fixits-apply.swift.result
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>    • Commit 6447a2d16edcfbceab940d58a321b3ef70525f1a by 
>>>>>>>>>>>> daniel_dunbar:
>>>>>>>>>>>> [Basic] Update
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thread shim to match changes on Linux side.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>            • edit: Sources/Basic/Thread.swift
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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