I meant more that we are dependent on Apple to actually change the existing 
official infrastructure to some new system. If all we want is an unofficial 
forum, any one of us could set that up now and invite people over for talk and 
snacks.

I assume swift-evolution is more of a meritocracy than a democracy - bringing 
up a topic again and taking votes may do little good if it doesn’t also bring 
up new justification to prioritize infrastructure changes.

But if we were using an issue tracker, I could mark this as a duplicate ;-)

-DW

> On Jan 23, 2017, at 10:59 AM, Joshua Alvarado <alvaradojosh...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> It will be painted! ;)
> 
> So far we have:
> +2 Disclosure 
> +1 Slack
> +1 Issue tracker
> 
> Let's really get everyone's opinions and see if we can get this rock rolling 
> towards a better solution. Of course it will be Apple's choice in the end but 
> we can give a voice on the matter to show we do care about moving over. 
> 
> Alvarado, Joshua
> 
> On Jan 23, 2017, at 10:55 AM, David Waite <da...@alkaline-solutions.com 
> <mailto:da...@alkaline-solutions.com>> wrote:
> 
>> As long as we are pretending this bike shed is getting painted again…
>> 
>> I would actually prefer something closer to an issue tracker than discourse. 
>> We get a lot of repeat and diverging topics, and it would be nice to mark 
>> discussions as related, duplicates, etc
>> 
>> -DW
>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2017, at 9:22 AM, Adrian Zubarev via swift-evolution 
>>> <swift-evolution@swift.org <mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> +1 for Discourse <http://www.discourse.org/>. Cannot wait any longer for 
>>> this to happen.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Adrian Zubarev
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>>> 
>>> Am 23. Januar 2017 um 17:18:42, Joshua Alvarado via swift-evolution 
>>> (swift-evolution@swift.org <mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org>) schrieb:
>>> 
>>>> Hey swifters,
>>>>   I would like to (re)open up discussion on moving away from email for the 
>>>> swift evolution mailing list. I know this has probably been discussed 
>>>> before but it really should be addressed again. I wouldn't even know how 
>>>> to find if it has been discussed before because it would be too hard to go 
>>>> back through the history. 
>>>> 
>>>> The main factors to move away from email is because email may deter 
>>>> newcomers, history, and threads. I may be speaking for myself when saying 
>>>> email may intimidate newcomers from expressing their opinions and 
>>>> thoughts. It is hard to know what has already been discussed and who is 
>>>> even in the active conversation. Keeping track of history is a pain as 
>>>> well. Searching through many emails to find who said what and when is not 
>>>> effective in email clients. Also, code formatting in emails is not 
>>>> effective. Let's discuss and actually make an action to move away from 
>>>> email if the community so agrees. Of course, recommendations are Slack, 
>>>> Hipchat (-1), and Gitter.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Joshua Alvarado
>>>> alvaradojosh...@gmail.com 
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