> On Apr 10, 2017, at 1:04 PM, Daniel Duan <dan...@duan.org> wrote: > >> >> On Apr 10, 2017, at 10:52 AM, Matthew Johnson <matt...@anandabits.com> wrote: >> >> >>> On Apr 10, 2017, at 12:48 PM, Daniel Duan <dan...@duan.org> wrote: >>> >>> No offense taken. >>> >>> There's no inherent problem with designing language with available tools in >>> mind. After all, what we put in the language is a strict subset of what's >>> viable in a compiler. >>> >>> IMHO Swift should care more about separation of language and tools due to >>> its long-term ambition: is it a good language out side of the most typical >>> experience? If I edit the source with my favorite editor, on Linux, and/or >>> compile with an alternative compiler, can I get a similar experience ? >>> >>> A language that conquers the world shouldn't depend on tools to be awesome. >> >> I agree with this. I just don’t think inference depends on tools. It only >> depends on reasonable judgement by authors. The same can be said for many >> features that we don’t want to do without. Inference just happens to be an >> area where tools can help out when 1) a beginner or someone new to Swift is >> reading the code or 2) the author left off an annotation where maybe they >> should have included one. > I’d argue that a fix-it suggestion should do. Tools can go above and beyond > what the the language defines of course.
How would the fix-it stay out of the way when the annotation really isn’t intended? >> >>> >>> Daniel Duan >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Apr 10, 2017, at 10:22 AM, Sean Heber <s...@fifthace.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Apr 10, 2017, at 11:38 AM, Daniel Duan <dan...@duan.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Using tools isn't a bad thing. Designing language assuming users are >>>>> using tools with certain capability is kind of a bad thing. >>>> >>>> I see this sentiment on this list a lot. Where does it come from? Is there >>>> any supporting research? What drives it? >>>> >>>> (I don’t mean to pick on Daniel - I’m curious about this overall from >>>> anyone that has sources. It has become such a prevailing refrain at times >>>> that I think it’d be best for everyone if we knew if it was even true!) >>>> >>>> l8r >>>> Sean
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