Andre,

There are some friends arguing driving their own mail servers - of course on
dial-up, ADSL or other broadband networks... This is the only point where
SMTP-AUTH comes in - and has nothing to do with the subject - indeed.

If someone desperately wants to connect his private mail server from a free
dial-up there are alternate solutions to work around whatever blocks 25/TCP
- what is of course or hopefully not very useful for sending SPAM or other
worm activities. 

Fully agree with your position statement, tough.

-Kurt. 

PS.
> You don't seem to understand how SMTP works.
Hehe, oh well... Twice in one hour from the same source. No further comment
required.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Andre Oppermann
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [swinog] Mailempfang wegen SPAM blockiert / Mail receipt
becauseof Spam blocks


"Kurt A. Schumacher" wrote:
> SMTP-AUTH (plain text and preferably CRAM-MD5), SMTPafterPOP or 
> similar are highly encouraged for any SMTP server - otherwise another 
> dial-up IP will be listed on the RBLs very soon and the value of your 
> private server becomes very limited ;-)
> 
> Again NO reason for running an own mail server on a "dial-up" line, 
> this includes of course any dynamic ADSL or TV broadband connection...

You don't seem to understand how SMTP works. In order to use SMTP-AUTH you
need free SMTP access to the outside from your Dialup. Which doesn't look
any different than running your own SMTP server. In any case things like
Fredy's dial-spam-block will break SMTP-AUTH. So back to square one...

My position is this:

If you run any kind of "free-dial" service where you don't have any direct
identification or signed contract with your customer, then you almost must
run some kind of SPAM-block.

If you don't do "free-dial" service and you have identification of your
customer and a signed contract, then give them free and unfiltered port 25
(SMTP) access to the world. Maybe do something to throttle either the amount
of port 25 connections per hour or the outgoing port 25 bandwidth. But not
more.

-- 
Andre
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