Right. I'll do that by summing up my point of view:
 
1. Providers should by default block port 25 outgoing for their 'free internet' 
dial-up customers.
2. Paying customers, either dial-up or xDSL from dynamic IP ranges should be forced to 
use the provider's SMTP smart host. Some rules on that smart host, e.g. number of 
connections, mails per hour etc. would certainly help lessen the pain from SPAMmers 
and imo not considerably lead to collateral damage amongst 'behaving' customers. 
3. No default blocking for xDSL customers with one or more static IP addresses, and no 
(auto) smart host obligation. Of course IP addresses for these customers must come 
from separate IP subnets than the ones mentioned in 1.) and 2.). 
 
 
Regards
Fermin

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Steven Glogger
Sent: Thu 10/30/03 14:22
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [swinog] Mailempfang wegen SPAM blockiert / Mail receipt because of Spam 
blocks


hi fermin
 
i think the best would be, that you get back to the main subject why this mailing has 
been started.
 
-steven

        -----Original Message-----
        From: Fermin Sanchez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Fermin Sanchez
        Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 2:16 PM
        To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        Subject: RE: [swinog] Mailempfang wegen SPAM blockiert / Mail receipt because 
of Spam blocks
        
        
        Hello Steven
         
        Hm - probably got carried away a bit at that ;-). Just imagine, Mr. F�rst 
downloading my PGP public key and sending me a personalized, encrypted commercial mail 
offering me a - gosh! - pair of black socks ;-). Would probably make it through my 
first two anti-spam layers :-|
         
        Regards
        Fermin

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        From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Steven Glogger
        Sent: Thu 10/30/03 13:52
        To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        Subject: RE: [swinog] Mailempfang wegen SPAM blockiert / Mail receipt because 
of Spam blocks
        
        
        hi fermin
         
        what the hell has PGP with SMTP to do? it uses the same communication channel 
;-)
         
        And more: what the hell has PGP with SPAM to do??
         
        greetzs
         
        steven 
         
        PGP: 
http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid14_gci214292,00.html or 
www.pgpi.org

                -----Original Message-----
                From: Fermin Sanchez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Fermin Sanchez
                Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 1:43 PM
                To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
                Subject: RE: [swinog] Mailempfang wegen SPAM blockiert / Mail receipt 
because of Spam blocks
                
                
                Hi
                 
                Ever heard about PGP? As long as my mail is PGP encrypted, I'd invite 
about any agency to take their best shot at it. For customers who don't want to send 
encrypted mail (or are not capable of), there's still the possibility to get an 
xDSL-Connection with a static IP address. imo Providers should only block dial-up and 
other dynamic IP ranges from sending mail. As soon as the IP address can be clearly 
assigned to a company or private person AND there's still SPAM from it, the offender's 
provider could then block outgoing port 25 connections. Again, let me know if I'm 
oversimplyfying the matter ...
                 
                Regards
                Fermin

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                From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Peter Keel
                Sent: Wed 10/29/03 19:48
                To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
                Subject: Re: [swinog] Mailempfang wegen SPAM blockiert / Mail receipt 
because of Spam blocks
                
                

                * on the Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 06:27:12PM +0100, Fermin Sanchez wrote:
                > Hm - pardon my asking, but: What (legal) reason should a dial-up
                > user have to send mail over his own mail server? I don't see the
                > problem in banning *dial-up*-ranges of providers which repeatedly
                > fail to prevent spam from sometimes repeatedly the same sources.
                
                Simple: Running an outgoing-Mailserver on its own. Why? ISPs got
                to friggin keep the logs of who sent out mail from our servers
                for _six_ month because some wannabe-gestapoheads decided so.
                That's a pretty strong incentive to run your own mailserver.
                
                Seegras
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