Peter, David emailed the arabicbible.com people requesting permission, but I like you do not know whether or not permission is needed.
I did want to ask about this... http://www.e-sword.net/bibles.html As esword used the arabicbible.com's translation for a module, could you just use the esword module, which has the vowels? On Jan 21, 2008 4:03 PM, peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The van Dyke translation is from 1865 IIRC. So all copyrights are well > gone and it is quite impossible to assert any kind of copyrights simply > on the act of format shifting from paper onto MS word or e-sword. This > would be ludicrous. > > The problem i see is that the text might after all _not_ be the van Dyke > Bible, but some revision, which might then well be quite correctly > copyrighted. I am not in a position to clarify whether this is the case > or not. > > So creating a module is step one, but not distributing it (up to that > point is 'fair use' in the USA or in e.g. Germany) and then showing them > what you did + asking them for permission to pass on. > > I had a lengthy conversation once with a Bible Society director who > explaine dto me why they sometimes claim copyrights which are in all > honesty already quite dead (due to expiry) and that is to hinder enemies > of the Gospel to create pseudo translations with carefully introduced > falsehoods e..g a certain prophet was send by God and announced by Jesus > Christ. So, if you can prove your credentials and your aqbility (by > creating a sword module) you will in all likelihood run into open doors > when you finally get round to asking them, > > Peter > > > > > John H. wrote: > > Yeah, I know what you mean. > > > > Please let me know if you need someone to test a module with vowels:) > > > > On Jan 21, 2008 3:00 AM, peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> John H. wrote: > >>> Peter, > >>> > >>> All printed copies I have seen, I have noticed the vowels as well. > >>> > >>> I just pointed to this one because it was easily accessible and > >>> already had the vowels. I was just wondering how to get a sword > >>> module with the vowels, however possible:) > >> I think then the assertion of copyright in the website is simply not > >> sustainable and we can take the work. It might not be the most friendly > >> act, but it would be well within the law. > >> > >> Personally I found the best approach to negotiations of this kind is to > >> take the text + run, create the module and then present it back - "see > >> what we can do with your module. We want to acknowledge you, obviously. > >> What do you think?" > >> > >> peter > >> > >> > >>> On Jan 21, 2008 2:43 AM, peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> Irrespective of this labour of love etc, I do doubt that vowel signs can > >>>> be copyrighted. > >>>> > >>>> I would think if the Van Dyke is public domain so this is , unless there > >>>> are more profound revisions done. In fact all printed editions I have > >>>> ever seen, have the vocalisation present, so this is not copyrightable > >>>> IMHO. > >>>> > >>>> Just because you put your mind to getting something from paper to > >>>> electrons does not create a copyright. > >>>> > >>>> Peter > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> John H. wrote: > >>>>> This goes into more depth about it... > >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/vandyke.htm > >>>>> > >>>>> Specifically... > >>>>> > >>>>> "These Arabic MS Word Documents of the Arabic Bible Vandyke > >>>>> Translation are available for your personnel use. Any of the > >>>>> followings: > >>>>> > >>>>> 1. > >>>>> > >>>>> Posting them on the internet > >>>>> 2. > >>>>> > >>>>> Selling them > >>>>> 3. > >>>>> > >>>>> Altering them > >>>>> > >>>>> without the exclusive permission from the Webmaster of the Arabic > >>>>> Bible Outreach Ministry ([EMAIL PROTECTED]@arabicbible.com) is strictly > >>>>> prohibited. > >>>>> > >>>>> The Copy Rights are Exclusive for the Arabic Bible Outreach Ministry . > >>>>> They are posted on the Internet for readers to download for personnel > >>>>> use. > >>>>> > >>>>> This labor of love was performed by a young man from Egypt by the name > >>>>> of Usama K. He poured 4 years of his life into this monumental work. > >>>>> > >>>>> We thank the Lord for raising men who dedicated their lives to publish > >>>>> the Arabic Bible free for the Arab world. All praise is for our Lord > >>>>> and redeemer Jesus Christ. > >>>>> > >>>>> Abd El-Massih, > >>>>> > >>>>> Webmaster" > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/use.htm > >>>>> > >>>>> On Jan 21, 2008 2:08 AM, Chris Little <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>>> On Jan 20, 2008, at 11:09 PM, John H. wrote: > >>>>>>> I was wondering how to get the vowels to display in the ASV module? > >>>>>> A new module would need to be created. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> A word document with all the vowels is available here... > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/doc_bible.htm > >>>>>>> In the ASV version. > >>>>>> To use that text, we would need permission from the website and then > >>>>>> someone would have to extract the text from the Word documents into a > >>>>>> usable Unicode text (which doesn't look too difficult) and make an > >>>>>> OSIS document out of it. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> --Chris > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org > >>>>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > >>>>>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > >>>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org > >>>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > >>>>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org > >>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > >>>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org > >>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > >>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org > >> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > >> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org > > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > _______________________________________________ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page