This suggestion is in ignorance of the code and other matters, but I
wonder if the filter could be changed to allow single quote in the
*absence* of a preceeding Greek letter in the list you gave.
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On 06/11/2018 07:46 AM, David Haslam wrote:
Further clarification and observations about the SWORD filter for
UTF8GreekAccents...
My reply of 7th June was sent before I was informed about the source
code for UTF8GreekAccents.
In fact, this does make use of the mapping table that I provided in
March 2017. Thanks, Troy!
You can visit the latest version in SVN trunk here.
https://crosswire.org/svn/sword/trunk/src/modules/filters/utf8greekaccents.cpp
Please note that it was patched during the weekend to add the lines to
process GREEK KORONIS & COMBINING GREEK KORONIS.
as well as to remove a residual (unused) declaration leftover from the
original version. Thanks, Troy.
We may have been wondering why the filter still includes a line to
remove the RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION
converters[0x2019] = ""; // RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK
This is because the source text in some older accented Greek modules
used this Unicode character.
These are usually found at End of Word locations, with typically 1218
occurrences.
More recent editions of the Greek NT use the GREEK KORONIS 0x1FBD in all
these same locations.
Modules with 0x2019 include MorphGNT, TischMorph and 2TGreek.
Modules with 0x1FBD include SBLG_THE.
FIO. The only Greek letters ever followed by the character are typified
by the following analysis (extracted from MorphGNT).
Count Pattern
0034 δ’
0107 θ’
0233 τ’
0292 π’
0213 λ’
0132 φ’
0061 ρ’
0149 ι’
The counts vary slightly for different modules.
We should consider the conjecture that the first ever digitisation of
(e.g.) the Tischendorf NT was simply transcribed incorrectly.
i.e. 0x2019 was keyed everywhere one would nowadays expect to use a
GREEK KORONIS.
Maybe the task was performed between Unicode 1.0 (October 1991) and
Unicode 1.1 (June 1993) ?
Aside: It's very likely that digitisation took place before Unicode even
existed, and that the text was subsequently converted to Unicode.
Some of you may remember Claremont-Michigan encodings for Hebrew,
Aramaic and Greek.
So, rather than being a bug in SWORD, in retrospect it looks more like
an accommodation to a systematic transcription error in some NT Greek
text sources.
What we should do about it remains an open question.
One new question arises from the changes to the SWORD filter (2017 & 2018).
Has anything similar been done for the equivalent JSword filter?
Best regards.
David
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On 7 June 2018 8:06 PM, David Haslam <dfh...@protonmail.com> wrote:
This ongoing problem affects far too many module releases.
The immediate cause is a wrong assumption implemented in the confmaker
script.
The UTF8GreekAccents filter does not restrict its filtering to accents
joined or adjacent to letters in the Greek alphabet.
And by "accents" please remember that some of these are actually
Unicode punctuation marks.
It applies the filter "willy-nilly" no matter what the context in
terms of language, script or alphabet.
It's a one-way valve that should never be used "backwards" to
determine whether or not it should be present in the .conf file.
Aside: The other UTF8 filters are not like this, so it's OK for
confmaker to use them for testing to see if they are required.
The set of Unicode characters filtered by UTF8GreekAccents are not
unique to the Koine Greek language.
Some of them are found in many other languages.
It's theoretically feasible to redesign the filter such that it
applies only in the context of Greek letters.
So yes, this is a matter for SWORD developers to consider too.
I documented a suitable mapping table in my GitHub repo in March 2017. See
https://github.com/DavidHaslam/UTF8-Greek-Accents
It was discussed in this mailing list at the time.
Troy was unwilling to replace the existing filter on the grounds that
it does what it was designed for on accented Greek modules.
The point is this. It was never designed to be used in general to test
whether it is needed by a module.
When used for this unintended "backwards" purpose, it generally gives
the wrong answer.
This concept is not difficult to understand.
Unless and until the filter itself is redesigned, we need a compromise
workaround for the confmaker script.
My suggestion is to restrict applying this "backwards" test to only
the modules in which this line is present.
Lang=grc
This would largely prevent the ongoing spurious addition of this
filter due to the automation of module publishing.
One can imagine there may be corner cases, such as where (e.g.) a
French Bible module had study notes which included some accented Greek
words.
But the impact would be minimal by not having the filter in the conf
file in such rare cases.
Best regards,
David
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On 7 June 2018 7:25 PM, DM Smith <dmsm...@crosswire.org> wrote:
I think it is a bug in the SWORD engine if single right quotation
mark is seen as a Greek diacritic.
Will look later to verify.
If it is then the module should not have the option.
— DM Smith
On Jun 7, 2018, at 8:54 AM, "ref...@gmx.net <mailto:ref...@gmx.net>"
<ref...@gmx.net <mailto:ref...@gmx.net>> wrote:
If a Greek accent is in use, the filter will be there. If this is a
bug, I.e. there should not be a Greek accent, please highlight this
at source. I guess this is the right approach here too. Then the
next iteration will not have a spurious filter
Sent from my mobile. Please forgive shortness, typos and weird
autocorrects.
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Module upload: FreLXX
From: David Haslam
To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum
CC:
This line in frelxx.conf is superfluous:
GlobalOptionFilter=UTF8GreekAccents
I think it's triggered in confmaker script by the presence of
these characters.
U+2019 ’ 656 RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK
NB. The source text is inconsistent in which character is used
for the typographical apostrophe. cf.
U+0027 ' 39,200 APOSTROPHE
Example:
Exodus 3:13 contains "les fils d'Israël" (character U+0027 used)
Exodus 3:15 contains "aux fils d’Israël" (character U+2019 used)
When the Greek Accents filter is disabled (in Xiphos) the latter
becomes "aux fils dIsraël" (without the apostrophe).
There are no Greek letters in the module, so the GreekAccents
filter should not be included.
Best regards,
David
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> This is to announce that we have just now uploaded FreLXX.
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> This is is an updated version of FreLXX.
>
> Many thanks to update for the hard work.
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