I daresay everyone with three working brain cells knows that O'Reilly is a shill. So what's the sense in debating his style? People have a morbid fascination in watching train wrecks.
I may agree with a lot of his politics--to a point, but I don't have the luxury of a high typing speed so it's really costly in time for me to engage you in a verbal dogfight, fun though that might be. So what are my realistic choices? I can either sit here and endure what sometimes borders on liberal propaganda or I can turn it off. I really wonder if the world benefits from yet another general media discussion group. > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > dx.com] On Behalf Of John Figliozzi > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:23 AM > To: Shortwave programming discussion > Subject: Re: [Swprograms] Fwd: Bill O'Reilly Thinks You're Crazy > > Politics infuses everything, Scott; but especially the media. The > role of the media is arguably at the center of our discussions here, > ultimately, and that is among other things a profoundly political > question. I realize Bill O'Reilly serves as sort of a lightning rod > and and using one of his "rants" (isn't that what he--and others in > this realm left and right--do?) edges the discussion into a more > uncomfortably political sphere than is our usual practice; but in the > main his opinions on the subject do belong in that discussion of the > media's role. Evidently, he believes it should serve as sort of a > national cheerleader. I don't think any of us--whether left, right > or center-oriented politically--believe that. But I might be wrong. > > Don't respond by leaving. I understand emotional reactions. I have > them all the time. <g> But leaving is an overreaction, I think. > (Respectfully.) > > And--yes--this is a roach motel. > > John > > On Jun 11, 2008, at 12:47 AM, Scott Royall wrote: > > > The remit, as you put it, seems to widen daily. Why must everything be > > polarized by politics? > > > > By the way, unsubscribing isn't working. Is this a roach motel? :) > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> dx.com] On Behalf Of John Figliozzi > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:12 PM > >> To: Shortwave programming discussion > >> Subject: Re: [Swprograms] Fwd: Bill O'Reilly Thinks You're Crazy > >> > >> I don't know why. We debate the state of commercial and public > >> service media here all the time. The remit of this group is quite > >> wide and always has been. If the problem is that the post diverges > >> from your view of things, you could rebut what was said. But to > >> criticize someone for posting it is a bit weak IMHO. > >> > >> John Figliozzi > >> > >> On Jun 10, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Scott Royall wrote: > >> > >>> I'm saddened that this was forwarded in this group. > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> dx.com] On Behalf Of Richard Cuff > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:55 PM > >>>> To: Shortwave programming discussion > >>>> Subject: [Swprograms] Fwd: Bill O'Reilly Thinks You're Crazy > >>>> > >>>> Those in the group who may be critical of the policies and > >>>> approaches > >>>> of US commercial TV news media may find this item of interest. > >>>> > >>>> Richard Cuff / Allentown, PA > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >>>> From: Josh Silver, FreePress.net <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> Date: Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:59 PM > >>>> Subject: Bill O'Reilly Thinks You're Crazy > >>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Dear Friend, > >>>> > >>>> Watch the Video and Thank O'Reilly > >>>> > >>>> Last night, Rupert Murdoch launched a laughable attack against you, > >>>> the media reform movement, and journalism itself. > >>>> > >>>> His on-air bully Bill O'Reilly called us "crazy" and "fascist" --- > >>>> you, me, and the millions of others who want media reform. These > >>>> people are "doing a lot of damage to America," O'Reilly yelled. Our > >>>> crime? Calling for journalism that's more honest, just and > >>>> accountable > >>>> to the public. > >>>> > >>>> When Bill O'Reilly goes after you, you must be doing something > >>>> right. > >>>> So we've decided to return the favor, and tell him two things: (1) > >>>> Thanks so much for the compliment and (2) please stop pretending > >>>> to be > >>>> a journalist. > >>>> > >>>> Tell Bill O'Reilly: Stop Pretending to Be a Journalist > >>>> > >>>> At this weekend's National Conference for Media Reform in > >>>> Minneapolis, > >>>> O'Reilly sent his stalker reporter Porter Berry to ambush legendary > >>>> journalist Bill Moyers. But Berry got far more than he bargained > >>>> for > >>>> (watch the video). Moyers stood his ground with the Fox News > >>>> crew and > >>>> challenged O'Reilly to stop smearing people under the guise of > >>>> journalism. > >>>> > >>>> Thank O'Reilly for Making the Case for Media Reform > >>>> > >>>> The O'Reilly ambush is typical Fox News fare. Murdoch uses his > >>>> media > >>>> empire to attack his political foes and -- not to inform > >>>> citizens or > >>>> tell the truth. The fight for media reform is about regular people > >>>> like you and me fighting undue corporate control of the media. This > >>>> kind of abuse of media power aggravates progressives and > >>>> conservatives > >>>> alike. > >>>> > >>>> Murdoch seeks to take down a people-powered movement that is a > >>>> gathering force in America. Over the past few years, media > >>>> reformers > >>>> have chalked up tremendous victories against nation's largest media > >>>> companies. When the FCC attempted to unleash a new wave of media > >>>> consolidation late last year, more than a quarter-million people > >>>> contacted Congress, culminating in a Senate vote that rejected a > >>>> massive giveaway to Murdoch and his cronies. > >>>> > >>>> We're fighting government propaganda and protecting free speech and > >>>> choice on the Internet. Our work is a threat to titans like Murdoch > >>>> who want to hoard control over news and information in America. > >>>> > >>>> By signing the letter you're telling O'Reilly: "We are not > >>>> intimidated. We want better journalism. Attacks from you only show > >>>> how > >>>> much we need media reform." > >>>> > >>>> Thanks for all that you do, > >>>> > >>>> Josh Silver > >>>> Executive Director > >>>> Free Press > >>>> http://www.freepress.net/ > >>>> > >>>> 1. Forward this e-mail to 10 of your friends. We need you and > >>>> everyone > >>>> you know to stop Murdoch's assault on journalism. > >>>> > >>>> 2. For more detail, read my article at the Huffington Post. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ________________________________ > >>>> > >>>> Take action on this important campaign at: > >>>> http://free.convio.net/site/Advocacy?pagename=homepage&id=269 > >>>> > >>>> Tell your friends about this campaign at: > >>>> http://free.convio.net/site/Ecard?ecard_id=1481 > >>>> > >>>> You ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) are receiving this e-mail as an opt-in > >>>> subscriber to Free Press' e-activist list. You can unsubscribe or > >>>> manage your account at any time. > >>>> > >>>> OUR OTHER CAMPAIGNS: > >>>> Free Press is a national, nonpartisan organization working to > >>>> reform > >>>> the media. Learn more at www.freepress.net > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Richard Cuff / Allentown, PA USA > >>>> > >>>> International broadcasting / shortwave blog: > >>>> http://www.intlradio.blogspot.com > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Swprograms mailing list > >>>> Swprograms@hard-core-dx.com > >>>> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/swprograms > >>>> > >>>> To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Swprograms mailing list > >>> Swprograms@hard-core-dx.com > >>> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/swprograms > >>> > >>> To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Swprograms mailing list > >> Swprograms@hard-core-dx.com > >> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/swprograms > >> > >> To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Swprograms mailing list > > Swprograms@hard-core-dx.com > > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/swprograms > > > > To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above. > > _______________________________________________ > Swprograms mailing list > Swprograms@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/swprograms > > To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above. _______________________________________________ Swprograms mailing list Swprograms@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/swprograms To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], or visit the URL shown above.