On 30 нояб, 01:57, "Ondrej Certik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/11/29 Kirill Smelkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On 30 нояб, 00:38, "Ondrej Certik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> 2008/11/29 Kirill Smelkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >> > On 29 нояб, 23:40, "Ondrej Certik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Kirill Smelkov > > >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> >> > On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:45:29PM +0100, Ondrej Certik wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:34 PM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > From: Kirill Smelkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> >> >> > .--. .--. > >> >> >> > ._' |/ :.-, > >> >> >> > | `'.-;-.;` .' > >> >> >> > _:._/.'.'.'\.`-. > >> >> >> > / \.'.'.'/ / > >> >> >> > '-._.;`'-'-';---' , /> > >> >> >> > jgs / /| \'-. \\/( > >> >> >> > `--' `-.-' `\|_.-' > >> >> >> > `\ > >> >> >> > ' > > >> >> >> Nice picture. > > >> >> >> But Kirr, I told you once, please do not push in commits that were > >> >> >> not > >> >> >> reviewed and especially do not push in commits that you know in > >> >> >> advance people will object to it. > > >> >> >> We had this discussion already, so I am reverting this commit and > >> >> >> sending two more commits for review, that are adding "not active > >> >> >> anymore" next to your name. If you'd like more changes, feel free to > >> >> >> propose them and review my commits. If you would not like to discuss > >> >> >> it in public, feel free to propose and discuss them with me in > >> >> >> private > >> >> >> and we'll then just send a final patch for a review. > > >> >> >> I told you that if you wish your name to be removed, I will make this > >> >> >> happen and I hold my word. Please tell me some nickname to put > >> >> >> instead > >> >> >> of it. > > >> >> >> I have *not* removed you an access from any of our servers. But > >> >> >> please, don't push in things without consensus anymore (otherwise I > >> >> >> would have to remove the access). It's our main repository. > > >> >> >> Thanks, > >> >> >> Ondrej > > >> >> > *Please*, > > >> >> > I've already reviewed it myself. > > >> >> Well, reviewing means by at least one other developer. And it > >> >> implicitely means that all the other developers agree with it. > >> >> In this case at least two other developers disagree with this patch > >> >> and you knew it, because you already sent the same patch once. > > >> > It's your problem that you disagree. I'm not touching anything except > >> > my > >> > name, to which I have full moral rights. > > >> >> > Neither this patch breaks tests, nor it breaks the code -- it's all > >> >> > and > >> >> > only about me myself. > > >> >> > Code released under BSD license is one thing and can't go back, but > >> >> > people names is a different area. > > >> >> > I don't want my name or nick to advertise SymPy, that's why I ask you > >> >> > to > >> >> > please remove my name completely from main crediting documents. > > >> >> I'll remove you from our history section in README. > > >> >> As to AUTHORS file, see my other patch, it lists all people who > >> >> committed a patch and I want such a file. > > >> > Sure, _you_ want. I don't. So it depends on what we decide. > > >> >> You can't delete nor rewrite history. > > >> > I'm not rewriting history. My commits are still in git, but --> > > >> >> AUTHORS file is not used for promotion or advertising. > > >> > --> for me it is. > > >> >> As to our doc/src/aboutus.txt, I think you have the right not to be > >> >> listed > >> >> there. On the other hand, I think we have the right to list all people > >> >> who contributed to sympy in there. As a compromise, I suggest not to > >> >> use your name nor email in aboutus.txt. > > >> > Sure, technically you have that right. But in this case, this makes > >> > perfect > >> > sence to listen to what people ask you to please do with their names. > > >> Absolutely -- and as I said I will not use your name or *your* nick. I > >> will use some nick though. I want to reference the fact, that someone > >> has contributed something in the past. > > > This fact is referenced in git with all the gory detail, so to me this > > should be enough. > > >> > I ask you to please 100% remove me from README/AUTHORS/ABOUTUS etc. > > >> > That's technically easy to do, I think that's what I have moral right > >> > to do myself, but you are blocking me - that's why I ask here to > >> > *please* do it. > > >> > I want to be not present in SymPy main documents. It's only about me > >> > myself, > >> > so no - this is not common property, like making license decisions. > > >> Yes, as I said, I agree neither your name or any mention about you > >> will be in README. I suggested your name will not appear in > >> aboutus.txt. I want to mention the historical fact, that a "noname > >> developer" or "developer1" (or something like that) have contributed > >> this and that. There is no mention about you and thus neither your > >> name or your fame will be used as an advertisement for sympy. However, > >> your contributions stay in the git history, thus anyone who is > >> interested can easily find it. > > > Read about git above. Read about what "you want" below. > > >> As to AUTHORS, I want your line to be occupied by something. > > > I want all my previous patches to be reverted, so what? > > > Is it so difficult to simply let me say goodbye silently and go away? > > >> So I can put there some nick. Or "developer1". > >> Or "the developer, who contributed the commit XXX.". > > > Why do you need this? > > >> Kirr, I am not a lawyer, so I just use my plain words, hope I make > >> myself clear. You did a very bad publicity to sympy by crossposting > >> your email to so many lists > > > They say "knock, and it will open to you." > > > I'm were well aware about netetiquete, and I try to follow it all the > > time. All those people to whom I've posted were not hurt in any way, > > and some of them adviced and supported me at least privately. > > > So I think that in this situation what I did was 100% ok. > > >> and you didn't ask anyone (at least I am > >> not aware of it) from our community what we think about it and if we > >> like it (just look at couple replies whether such an email was welcome > >> on those lists). > > > Not all replies were unwelcome. Some private replies are welcome. It's > > just that the probablilty that upset people will negatively reply is > > more. So what? > > Yes, let's not go into that. Yes, some people prefer LGPL, some prefer > BSD. One cannot win everyone. > > >> So you didn't care what we (or I want), why should I > >> care what you want? > > > Isn't it enough that I cared about SymPy for ~1 year for half of all > > my time? > > Yes, as I said in the next sentence, for me that is enough. Thanks for > everything you did.
Thanks. So could you please also respect my last wish. > >> I do care though, because you were no doubt one of > >> the best sympy developers and whatever you do now, you can't delete > >> that fact and I do not forget what you did for sympy. > > > That's all in git, and noone is touching it. > > > What I want is to leave the so called "main pages," and not stay there > > in any form. > > > For me you want to advertise SymPy this way - yes, please, but not > > with my name, my nick, or any substitution(kirr, <any>). > > What about an empty line? And a notice at the end, that empty lines > are for developers that we cannot say more about. Why so complex? Can't you just remove it? > Do you allow me to mention on a conference that some feature (for > example benchmarks) were contributed by Kirr? Do you allowe me to even > mention that Kirr was involved with the development of sympy in the > past? If someone asks, who contributed that --- am I allowed to point > to a patch, that bears your name? Sure, you can talk about me and noone can forbid you from doing so, like noone can forbid you from listing me in any file. I just _ask_ to *please* remove me from that main official files. Otherwise, feel free to talk about me if you need to. > We can also autogenerate the AUTHORS file from the git repository. Or > provide a script that does it and provide a sample output of such a > script. Sure, and noone can forbid you to do so. But it depends on where you are going to post the result. If it is main sympy files, I ask you to please try not to include me there. Also, if you are going to autogenerate credits, I think it would be better to use repository with full sympy history from the very beginning. > But I think it's simple to say, that we disagree on this point. Let's > see what other developers think first. As a compromise, I suggested my > patch. I don't understand what the point is. In no way I disregard other people or do any other harm. It's just my name and all. Is it so difficult to exclude me from official contributor lists? > >> Please review this patch that removes your name and your email from > >> credits: > > >>http://groups.google.com/group/sympy-patches/browse_thread/thread/768... > > > In essence my reply is above. > > So are you +1, +0 or -1? I'm +1 to this: http://git.sympy.org/?p=sympy.git;a=commit;h=6a2725086275acd93836a5d60a600c907cfe5bbb > > Is it so difficult to simply let me say goodbye silently and go away? > > Unfortunately it is, because you don't want to silently say good bye > (you did that twice already by pushing in a good bye patch). Why the second run wasn't silent??? I said goodbye, and I've took my name with me. Actually I was surprised that you again reverted it. > You want > to change our credits files to only list some (but not all) > developers. Actually all developers except me. > And as such, it needs to be discussed with others. I can't see this imlication, because it's only about me. Yes, I could get "crazy," or something, but don't you find it comedic, that it was me who brought this whole patch review thing into sympy? The whole question should be nothing project-wise -- one developer wants to leave, and he asks to please remove (or just removes himself) his credits and other info. If he does not affect other developers or code or anything else, for _any_ reason, to me I'd just let him go. > So far > our credits lists were a list of all contributors. That's why I want > your name to be in. It was your rule which was the default. And untill now everyone was ok with it. Though it does not automatically mean this is true in the future. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sympy-patches" group. To post to this group, send email to sympy-patches@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sympy-patches?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
