On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 6:24 PM gu...@uwosh.edu <gu...@uwosh.edu> wrote:
>
> > I called myself naive, in that I suppose I think it would ideally know
> > that SymPy would not generate ambiguous results. One simple answer here
> > might be not to supply a simple rendering of Equation(a,b) except to for
> > use with TeX, where I suppose it would be possible to render the '=' in
> > a larger size, or different colour.
>
> > Imagine what would happen if someone cut and pasted an Equation object
> > rendered using '=' to another place in the code.
>
> Yes, this is something I have struggled with what might work best. Presently, 
> SymPy latex output in a Jupyter notebook converts `*` and `**` to more 
> standard representations, which cannot be copied and pasted into code. The 
> programmer solution is to assign the expression to a name and use that name 
> where you want the code version. This works equally well for the Eqn object. 
> I would still like to be able to copy and paste from the output, which means 
> we may want something like what Sagemath used to do, which allowed you to 
> toggle between latex and code view. I think that capability went away in the 
> Jupyter compatible version, but have not tested it recently.
>
> I agree that when Latex output is not used the output should probably be in a 
> representation that can be directly copies into code. That is an easy change. 
> After I grade my exams I will incorporate it into the various versions.

The standard SymPy way of dealing with this is that the str()
representation should be something that can be copy-pasted (this is
what print() will give), but the pprint() and latex() representation
should be as readable as possible as a mathematical expression.

Aaron Meurer

>
> Jonathan
>
> On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 8:47:02 AM UTC-5 da...wrote:
>>
>> On 09/05/2021 23:52, wrote:
>> > David,
>> >
>> > I do not think you are being naive. The choice of representation is to
>> > keep things as close to standard mathematics as possible. However,
>> > your suggestions are approaches taken by others. For example Sagemath
>> > uses a==4 as the way to input and display something similar to the
>> > proposed Equation type. My problem with this is that it looks like the
>> > logical comparison operator in most computer languages that should
>> > yield True or False. I am not sure that is very important to most
>> > people doing math, but since I do both coding and math it bothers me.
>>
>> Well of course, even people who don't do coding will understand the
>> other meaning of '=' within SymPy work.
>>
>> I called myself naive, in that I suppose I think it would ideally know
>> that SymPy would not generate ambiguous results. One simple answer here
>> might be not to supply a simple rendering of Equation(a,b) except to for
>> use with TeX, where I suppose it would be possible to render the '=' in
>> a larger size, or different colour.
>>
>> Imagine what would happen if someone cut and pasted an Equation object
>> rendered using '=' to another place in the code.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
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