Jason,

>> Which brings us full circle to Programming 101 - LOL <<

Yup.  There was a strong statement to that effect in my original
composition.  I yanked it out...

Deep down I think even Roy realizes that we can't do anything with this
other than commiserate and remind "ourselves" of some basic things.

With threads even us "advanced" grey (or white-) beards can sometimes get
flustered enough to not consider all the debugging possibilities. And while
they're basically the same techniques, there are some altering subtleties to
them when applied to threads, so I was just outlining some outstanding
things to watch out for that sometimes slips right passed us when staring at
an intractable problem. Especially when it's the sort of debugging we don't
have to do very often. The tunnel vision gets so strong there's no periphery
to be seen at all any more <g>...



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