On 17/01/14 09:42, Kay Sievers wrote: > This year will bring huge flag day compat breaks. We will drop all old > D-Bus support, we will require on a bleeding edge kernel, and so on.
Flag-day compatibility breaks are a massive pain for distributions. The more things need to be upgraded in lockstep, the harder it is - particularly the kernel, since most distributions allow more than one kernel to be installed at a time, and switching the running kernel needs a reboot. Package dependency systems that were mainly designed for libraries and restartable daemons can easily guarantee "linux >= 3.67 is somewhere in the filesystem", but not "linux >= 3.67 was booted". I can see that a flag day is sometimes unavoidable, but please do consider it to be a significant cost. In particular, if your goal is for systemd to be a universal part of a "standard" Linux stack, avoiding flag-day upgrades whenever possible seems wise. I for one would like to be able to assume systemd's technical advantages when writing other software, but distributors who are uneasy about adopting systemd are not going to be reassured by plans that will break their upgrades. The kernel's policy is "don't break userspace" - isn't the init(1) equivalent "don't break the rest of userspace"? Regards, S _______________________________________________ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel