On 04/02/2015 01:21 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
Well, I disagree. And yeah, I still think that /var/lib/machines
should be a subvolume, if it is not created manually as something else
before. I hear no convincing case why it shouldn't be one.

I argue that we should default to directory creation for all filesystems that it is the sane upstream default you say we should default to subvolumes creation for those that are supported ( currently just btrfs )

Now let's hear it from you since you seem to be so eager to dismiss both my arguments along with Martin's, what value does it add, problems it solves and why we ( and thus distribution, administrators, end users and vendors basically all consumers of systemd and btrfs ) should default to create subvolumes.

Btw my knowledge on btrfs is fine thank you, yours from my pov seems to be limited to a single host implementations where it's more implemented for development than practicality and you somehow seem to be again not taking into account the ramification outside the systemd project itself and it's community, the same thing you did with regards to your *visionary* changes to hostnames, it's meaning and usage which we discussed on one of the hackfests or you recent approval in another thread regarding timedate where I side with and say Kay was and is right.

JBG
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