Maybe the Americans(and Can men) should take a page out of the books of the 2 best distance runners in North America right now-Emilie Mondor and Courtney Babcock. Mondor broke a 15 year old national record today and Babcock missed by .18.
Joe Rubio wrote: > John, > > From his 5k, 10k and marathon times I'd guess he's running at 5:20 pace > for an easier recovery run, 5:00-5:20 for your everyday - garden variety > long run, maybe even dropping it down to 4:48 pace near the end. > > Something I read from Dellinger a number of years back sticks out in my > mind. Now I'm paraphrasing here using a badly damaged brain this AM of > too much coffee but I believe he said something to the effect that the > next generation of dominant distance runner will not focus on the weekly > mileage so much as they will be running a moderate volume of weekly > mileage at much faster paces all around. In his estimation, almost > everything such as long runs and "recovery" days would be done at approx > 5 minute pace, while still maintaining an appropriate (for them) volume > of work at 1500, 5k and 10k paces. I can dig up the actual quote from > his book in the early 80's called "Training for Competitive Distance > Runners" or something close, published by Runner's World Press in 1984 (?). > > Looks like Bill saw the writing on the wall back 20 years ago. Seems > similar to the wall Coe saw in the early 80's as well. > > Joe > > John Schiefer wrote: > > The real question is how does Geb define "easy" on his > > training runs. > > > > I'm sure easy for Geb is about 5:45 pace. > > > > Schiefer > > --- malmo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>Yup Mike, the Letsrun mentality has infected you. > >>Find one > >> > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Michael Contopoulos > >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 7:02 PM > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Subject: RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000 > >> > >> > >>Malmo, on Letsrun you noted that what Geb does is > >>pretty standard > >>training. > >>I disagree. The guy does 4 days of workouts in a > >>row (not including the > >>in > >>betwen easy hour runs) ON TOP of his 3 hour long run > >>followed by a 1 > >>hour > >>run. > >> > >>hard 15-30km run > >>1 hour easy > >> > >>sprint workout > >>1 hour easy > >> > >>hills > >>1 hours easy > >> > >>3x1200 to 8x2000 > >>w hour easy > >> > >>You tell me that Meb, Pepper, Abdi, Browne, Johnson > >>are doing 4 workouts > >>in > >>consecutive days (with a "sprint" session in > >>there... which of those > >>guys > >>does a "sprint" session?)...on top of a 3 hour run > >>followed by a one > >>hour > >>run once a week... well... round of drinks is on me. > >> geb trains much > >>harder > >>than our guys. And he's supremely confident. And > >>he's supremely > >>talented. > >>That's pretty darn near impossible to beat. > >> > >> > >> > >>>From: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>Reply-To: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>To: "'edndana'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > >> > >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >>>Subject: RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000 > >>>Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:18:03 -0400 > >>> > >>>I'm basing my wager on this crowd: > >>> > >>>My guess is that Culpepper is the only one who > >> > >>could run sub-25, with > >> > >>>Bickford and Kennedy close. > >>> > >>>27:13.98 ..... Meb Keflezighi (Nik) 01 > >>>27:20.56 ......... Mark Nenow (Pum) 86 > >>>27:25.61 ..... Alberto Salazar (AW) 82 > >>>27:29.16 ...... Craig Virgin (FRRT) 80 > >>>27:31.34 ...... Todd Williams (adi) 95 > >>>27:33.93 ..... Alan Culpepper (adi) 01 > >>>27:37.17 .... Bruce Bickford (NBal) 85 > >>>27:38.37 ........ Bob Kennedy (Nik) 99 > >>>27:41.05 ........ Ed Eyestone (BYU) 85 > >>>27:42.83 .... Abdi Abdirahman (Nik) 02 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > >> > >>Of edndana > >> > >>>Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:43 PM > >>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>Subject: Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000 > >>> > >>> > >>>Malmo - > >>> > >>> I can't tell if you agree or disagree with me > >> > >>from your comment. > >> > >>>I may be wrong, as I am largely basing my > >> > >>observations on the people I > >> > >>>ran against in high school and college. Most of > >> > >>the people that knew > >> > >>>around my ability (9:50 2-mile in HS, 32:00 10K > >> > >>after college) could do > >> > >> > >>>between 24.5 and 25.5 seconds. I've done 25.1 in a > >> > >>race and I am not > >> > >>>particularly fast (My best 100m is 12.5 wind > >> > >>aided). > >> > >>> So, I can only conclude that guys who are 3-5 > >> > >>minutes faster than me > >> > >> > >>>at 10K could beat me by a few tenths for the 200m. > >> > >>Most of these guys > >> > >>>were a lot faster than me in high school as well. > >> > >>It just doesn't seem > >> > >> > >>>reasomable that the group of guys running 9:00 in > >> > >>high school is not > >> > >>>any faster over 200m than the group of guys running > >> > >>9:45 - as a group. > >> > >> > >>>Now maybe the distance runners slow down over 200m > >> > >>between high school > >> > >>>and their mid-20's - I certainly didn't, but I also > >> > >>wasn't doing 100+ > >> > >>>miles per week of distance training like I should > >> > >>have been. > >> > >>>- Ed Parrot > >>> > >>> > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>To: "'edndana'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > >> > >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >>>Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:10 PM > >>>Subject: RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>I'd be a big seller on that claim. > >>>> > >>>>malmoo > >>>> > >>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > >>> > >>Behalf Of edndana > >> > >>>>Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 1:01 PM > >>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>Subject: Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Perhaps our 10k guys (and 5k guys) go about > >>>> > >>training too much like > >> > >> > >>>>>they would for a marathon and don't focus > >>>> > >>enough on speed. Geb > >> > >>>>>constantly > >>>> > >>>>talks > >>>> > >>>>>about improving his speed. How many of our > >>>> > >>10k guys can run 24.5 > >> > >>>>>flat > >>>> > >>>>>out let alone at the end of a 10k? > >>>> > >>>>Jeez, I'm sure at least 8 of our top 10 10K guys > >>> > >>could run 24.5 all > >> > >>>>out, if not all of them. They may never > >>> > >>actually have done so, but > >> > >>>>I bet nearly all of them could. > >>>>- Ed Parrot > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > >>Get MSN 8 and help protect your children with > >>advanced parental > >>controls. > >>http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > -- Regards, Martin Martin J. Dixon, B. Math. (Hons), C.A., Millard Financial Consulting Inc. P.O. 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