EXACTLY The smart thing to do would be to anticipate the fact that the vast majority of people making turns in the right turn on red zones do NOT do anything more than make a perfunctory glance to their right way before they reach the intersection. Is is the best method? Nope. But you could avoid a big hassle, improve general motor vehicle vs. runner relations, and avoid making an ass of yourself if you choose the high road. It isn't worth the possibility that somebody either pulls out a gun or converts their vehicle into a weapon so that a bunch of scrawny (and I used to be somewhat like that and now coach them) distance runners can prove their "manhood" in order to later impress their peers with their tales of "courage." This fact may stagger the imagination, but the roads were built for VEHICLES-we as runners need to be cordial, respectful, and defensive GUESTS. You just can't win a fight against a multi ton vehicle. My athletes have always had the highest (or close it) GPA's on campus, so I tell them to act like it when out on the roads. It amazes me when stupidity is glorified. Sorry to be on the soap box, but I cringed when I watched whichever Prefontaine movie showed Steve running over a car in Eugene (ok, I'll admit that both movies were pretty bad) because you just know that some kids are going to try it. But, just think about the first time that it happens and somebody stomps the pedal while they're on the car or whips out that gun or runs them down afterward. That wouldn't be tragic, it would be pathetic.
Tirade over: For a great FICTIONAL account of a runner's payback, check out Slinger Sanchez's 10 mile or so run to revenge sometime in Bruce Glikin's book. (That was an unsolicited plug btw).. --- malmo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't know why you guys are so proud of your > vandalism. Street punks > always have a "reason" why they do what they do. > It's still wrong. > > malmo > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf > Of James R. Kaminsky > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:50 PM > To: Randy Treadway; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: t-and-f: Why on the street? - car > tromping: "Once a Runner" > > > I have a similar story from the early 60s at Ohio > Wesleyan. We were > coming in from an easy road run down a slight grade > into town running on > the road near the curb. We were cruising at a > really good clip when I > noticed a Cadillac at a side street about to turn > right (we were coming > from his right). His eyes were looking left since > he knew there was no > traffic coming in his lane from the right. Just as > we got to him he > decided to make his turn and that's when the fun > began. I should have > been a stunt man, because I hit the top of his long > Cadillac hood on my > butt, slammed by palms as hard as I could on the > hood, leaving some neat > impressions, and sliding off the other side > continued on never missing a > stride. He slammed on his breaks, cleaned the shit > out of his pants and > didn't move for the longest time. Mean while we > just continued on like > nothing was wrong. What a great feeling. Moral of > story - look both > ways before you pull out. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Randy Treadway > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 10:02 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: t-and-f: Why on the street? - car > tromping: "Once a Runner" > > Well I was in the group that it happened to, > and "did it", in 1976 in Troy, Alabama. > I suspect that, given enough stories of drunk > people swerving at runners, runners have > picked up on the 'revenge' angle, and done it > (running over a car or pickup trick) whenever > they have the opportunity, as justifiable. > After so many years, I don't remember who in > the group I was running with came up with the idea > and said "hey, there's the guy- let's run right > over his truck". In my memory, it was pretty > much a spontaneous reaction when we saw him > sitting at the stop light. > So it's probable actually happened several (or > many) times. Who knows- maybe Batchelor and Shorter > were the first. > Give them credit among distance runner lore for > paving new ground, like > Dick Fosbury. As a matter of fact, give it a name > like the Fosbury Flop- > "we caught the guy at the next intersection and > Batchelored him". You'll > have to explain to young runners what "getting > Batchelored" means. > > RT > > RT > > On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:38:22 -0400 Geoff Pietsch > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > John Parker told the story of Shorter and > > Bacheler in both non-fiction > > and fiction ("Once a Runner") versions, as I > > recall. No spikes though, just > > running shoes - and red necks. That really > > happened, to the best of my > > recollection, and all the other versions have > > followed from it. Geoff > > > > > > >From: ghill > > >Reply-To: ghill > > >To: track list > > >Subject: Re: t-and-f: Why on the street? > > >Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:01:46 -0700 > > > > > >there's also a story, probably apocryphal, of > > Shorter and Bacheler running > > >in spikes on a golf course and some guy pulled > > a car in front of them (not > > >sure how the car was on the course, hence the > > apoc. nature), and supposedly > > >they ran right over the hood and left a score > > of spike holes. > > > > > > > From: "nad wilson" > > > > Reply-To: "nad wilson" > > > > Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:16:59 +0000 > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: Re: t-and-f: Why on the street? > > > > > > > > sounds like something slinger sanchez did. > > > > > > > > > > > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>> and a few miles later on the > > > >> outskirts of town, we came up to an > > intersection where the > > > >> same guy was waiting for the light to > > change, and our entire > > > >> group ran right up over the top of his > > pickup, the last guy > > > >> stomping extra hard on his hood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Join the world's largest e-mail service > > with MSN Hotmail. > > > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > http://mobile.msn.com > > > > > > > ===== Keith Whitman Head Coach, Men's and Women's Cross Country/Track & Field Muskingum College, New Concord, Ohio 43762 (740) 826-8018-Office (330) 677-4631-Home (740) 826-8300-Fax __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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