These are all good arguments but I think we should give more credit to mappers. Sorry if I'm being boring but I will again come back to OSMonitor reports that Polish community is now using for fixing roads - since I started publishing the reports every day I am shocked by how quickly people fix stuff based on these reports. Our Polish community is quite small and still we are making impressive progress towards "all green".
One thing I agree with is problem for the API/server-side. Though so far I haven't seen a relation in Polish roads that cannot be downloaded because it's too big, I know these things exist and that's a problem. As for breaking relations by newcomers - we plan to have a regression reporting as well so that once a road (relation) goes from green to yellow or red then it will be reported to wiki/mailing list/whatever and people can quickly fix it. I'm not trying to shamelessly promote my tool - I'm just sharing my thoughts and impressions after few short weeks and what I have seen the community can do when they have two things: 1. A baseline simple agreement on how we map - in this case we said we want to clean up relations for major roads in Poland. 2. Tool that will help with that - give up-to-date insight into data - otherwise you cannot see what's going on. Also as a bonus the tool can provide small motivations like coloring, statistics etc. - this really works and we enjoy it. Paweł On Tue, Jul 31, 2012, at 23:32, Pieren wrote: > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 10:41 PM, LM_1 <flukas.robot+...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Actually almost any proposal containing relations is criticised from > > this perspective (relations being too complex/complicated for > > mappers). > > If you explain OSM to an average newcomer, not a geek or a s/w dev: > - yes, concept of relation is complicated (I'm even not talking about > super-relations) > - yes, it is not easy to edit (e.g. hte JOSM relation editor is fine, > but hey, you need a special editor dialog with special features just > for relations...) > - yes, big relations are a problem for the API > - yes, relations are difficult to maintain in long term because it's > often broken... by newcomers. > > Pieren > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
