> > Am 01.09.2014 12:20, schrieb Severin Menard: > > How should we map the livestock pens in farmyards? > barrier = fence > And (IMHO): it should be a permanet installation and no temporary thing... >
Thanks for your answer. Sure for barrier=fence, but it does not say what is inside the fence. The houses have a fence for the people and those ones are for the animals. When it deals with potential epizootics, it is not the same thing. What about pen=yes or run=yes? (I do not find any occurrence in taginfo, though). livestocks=* would serve to mention the kind of penned animals. Regarding the temporary aspect, it is permanent as anything can be permanent there when the houses are made of traditional materials (straw, mud or non heated bricks) and last only a few years, when they are not regularly wiped out when flooding (I am mapping in flood prone areas). Sincerely, Severin > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 10:50:17 -0400 > From: Bryan Housel <br...@7thposition.com> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > <tagging@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] include smoothness=* in JOSM presets? > Message-ID: <5fa26a84-0a46-4d89-906b-06de69ec6...@7thposition.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > So I have some thoughts on smoothness… > > It’s not a terrible tag. I think if we just replace “usable by” with > “suitable for” on the wiki, it would be a bit better. We all know that > it’s certainly *possible* to take a road bike or inline skates down a pile > of rocks, (I do it myself too). That doesn’t mean the map should suggest a > person actually try it just because we insist on sticking to a very > *literal* definition of “usable by". Try to think of people with > wheelchairs, strollers, little kids on a bike with training wheels, etc. > > The text descriptions make sense to me. The pictures can be improved, and > I’m happy to help with that — I have good pictures of all the different > smoothness types. How should I proceed with this, just make the change? > > Thanks, Bryan > > > > On Sep 1, 2014, at 8:51 AM, Pieren <pier...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > First, most of the people using presets (JOSM or ID) don't read the > > wiki. Tags have to be self-explanatory as much as possible. > > And even if you explain that "smoothness=excellent" is for roller > > blade, I know skaters that could use "smoothness=good" ways easily. > > And I'm still waiting some clarifications between "very_bad" and > > "horrible"... We also had long discussions about reducing/simplifying > > the list of values... > > I would also like to see at least one application using it, if any. > > > >> I am not really happy about it, but I was unable to invent something > better and it > >> not as bad as say maxspeed:practical. > > Do we have to choose between bad and worse ? > > As already mentionned, the skater, biker or car driver will have a > > totally different idea/view of what a "good" or "bad" smoothness is > > for his means of transport. > > > > Pieren > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Tagging mailing list > > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2014 22:27:43 +0200 > From: fly <lowfligh...@googlemail.com> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > <tagging@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=* > Message-ID: <5404d6bf.8070...@googlemail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Am 24.08.2014 17:10, schrieb Friedrich Volkmann: > > On 24.08.2014 13:31, Christian Quest wrote: > >> In that case, how should application resolve housenumbers ? > >> What tagging do you propose to allow it ? > > > > I wrote down some thoughts here: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/Multiple_addresses > > ...although I do now prefer addr2:* instead of addr[2]:*, because the > former > > is more widely used and easier to understand. > > The easiest way for me still seems to place two nodes each with one > address with in the building polygon (or on its perimeter with entrance=*) > > > > Concerning number ranges, I think that they should be mapped as they are > > (i.e. ranges), because that's how they are used in the real world (number > > plates, addresses in letters, etc.). > > Well, I had a closer look at my city and found all combinations: > > 1. two separate buildings with one entrance in common. > 2. one housenumber as range (probably former two buildings/lots) > 3. one housenumber as range on bigger polygons with single buildings > with simple housenumber inside > 4. one housenumber as range for multiple single housenumbers > > >> I'm working on the BANO project who aims to create a nationwide address > >> database, using in part OSM data. > >> I already have to deal with this kind of addr:housenumber=* > >> > >> For the moment, 265-269 is transformed into 265 and 269 only, but having > >> some tag based clue that we have an odd number range meaning that 267 is > >> located at the same place would be a real benefit. > > As the discussion shows a range should be treated literally without > addr:interpolation=*. > > > Applications need to incorporate country-specific rules. The wiki already > > contains lists of country-specific maxspeeds and access restrictions for > > routing, and we probably need a list of country-specific rules for house > > numbers as well. E.g. house number ranges mean either either odd oder > even > > numbers in Austria. In other coutries, a range may stand for both odd and > > even numbers. > > In Germany I find both variants within the same cities. > > > Given that the BANO project aims for a nationwide database only, your > task > > seems easy. You probably already know the rules for your country. > > cu fly > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 23:16:57 +0200 > From: Mateusz Konieczny <matkoni...@gmail.com> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > <tagging@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] include smoothness=* in JOSM presets? > Message-ID: > < > caldvra4xa-a+pz87xfd7chxkdl42phm9xkhhqr9veamz6fx...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > 2014-09-01 14:51 GMT+02:00 Pieren <pier...@gmail.com>: > > > I would also like to see at least one application using it, if any. > > > > For example I use it in my small project - > https://github.com/mkoniecz/bicycle_map_of_Krakow > There are some sidewalks with allowed cycling but completely decayed paving > stones and there > is no better way to tag this. There are also some asphalt roads with really > bad surface. etc etc. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20140901/2ba58826/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 13:50:51 +0900 > From: Satoshi IIDA <nyamp...@gmail.com> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > <tagging@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tagging for complex > junctions or traffic signals that are named > Message-ID: > <CAGexURDon59DKNB8D=UkP=A= > r+utnosvmzvg3yy5axiy6np...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello from Japan, > > > @Lukas are the names of the traffic signals/junctions actually used in > > addresses (and in principal would be a suitable value for addr:place in > an address)? > No. > We realize the name of traffic signal only for routing and navigation on > local district. > It is very separated concept from "place" (residence of human kind) tag or > "addr:*" (postal delivery) tag. > > The name of traffic signal is not used as addressing system. > And if there are very dense traffic signals, occasionally the names are > like... > "XZY Conter(Chuo)", "XZY North", "XZY West", or so. > > # "XZY" is the name of place or district, like Roppongi or Akihabara. > > > Following maybe off topic... > Hence, some JP mappers had proposed "place=locality" for old/famous name > for mountain path crossing. > e.g. "XZY tsuji (辻, crossing)" or "XZY Touge (峠, peak)". > > They may be acceptable, because we realize them as old/famous place name. > But I do not feel that it would not suite for modern traffic_signal system. > > > > > 2014-08-26 6:34 GMT+09:00 Jean-Marc Liotier <j...@liotier.org>: > > > On 08/25/2014 11:09 PM, Lukas Sommer wrote: > > > >> In Ivory Coast, you have addresses like “in front of the XYZ crossroad” > >> or “from XYZ crossroad 50 m towards the big fueling station”. Rather a > sort > >> of instructions for getting somewhere than an address in the european > >> sense. Obviously “from XYZ crossroad 50 m towards the big fueling > station” > >> will be applied to various houses (usually, when you have arrived, you > make > >> a phone call to the person that you want to meet, and the person comes > to > >> the road to search you and help you with the last part of the way – I > can > >> guarantee you that this is very time-consuming ;-) > >> > > > > That said, people in quite a few African countries have a postal address > > (PO box in most cases) distinct from the address of their residence, so > the > > problem of shoehorning directions in the standard address fields of > > European-designed software is side-stepped more often than not. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Tagging mailing list > > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > > > -- > Satoshi IIDA > mail: nyamp...@gmail.com > twitter: @nyampire > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20140902/c2110b9c/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 10:11:27 +0200 > From: Pieren <pier...@gmail.com> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > <tagging@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] include smoothness=* in JOSM presets? > Message-ID: > < > capt3zjp-oy1q0j+_qaxzxu91rxsfw1wjvyh-zv_emq1tqon...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Mateusz Konieczny <matkoni...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > There are some sidewalks with allowed cycling but completely decayed > paving > > stones and there > > is no better way to tag this. There are also some asphalt roads with > really > > bad surface. etc etc. > > I didn't check your application but the smoothness tags in Krakow. > This way for instance is a good example: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/37702408 > smoothness=good on a pedestrian highway (also with a "bicycle=yes"). > You added this tag in changeset 24356171 . I guess your intention was > to specify a good smoothness for bicycles but others could interpret > this tag as simply good enough for pedestrians... > > Pieren > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Tagging Digest, Vol 60, Issue 3 > ************************************** >
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