In the same way, there is a tradition of "boiled cookies" in the USA, that are
on the borderline between cookies (biscuits, in British terminology) and candy.
They involve a sticky, sweetened grain, most commonly oatmeal (rolled oats).
Here is an example:
<http://dessert.food.com/recipe/no-bake-chocolate-oatmeal-cookies-23821>
On May 11, 2015 10:47:43 AM CDT, Satoshi IIDA <nyamp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>There are Japanese "non-baked" confectioneries.
>(I believe similar confectioneries in other countries. esp. in Asia)
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagashi
>
>If we take only a) plan, I'm afraid of we could not represent cultural
>variations.
>
>+1 to Janko's a+b),
>and to express the specialty, moltonel's "confectionery:FOO=yes
>confectionery:BAR=yes".
>
>
>
>2015-05-12 0:24 GMT+09:00 Janko Mihelić <jan...@gmail.com>:
>
>> I would be more in favor of a+b) because you might want to tag a
>place
>> with shop=pastry because 95% of their assortiment is pastry, but they
>have
>> 5% candy so you add candy=yes.
>>
>> Janko
>>
>> pon, 11. svi 2015. 17:12 Brad Neuhauser <brad.neuhau...@gmail.com> je
>> napisao:
>>
>>> In my experience, most places that sell pastries would be better
>tagged
>>> as bakery. Even if they only sell pastries (ie no bread), they do
>have to
>>> bake them, right? :)
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 5:43 AM, moltonel 3x Combo
><molto...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/05/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > I believe there is some overlap between the shop values
>>>> >
>>>> > confectionery
>>>> > pastry
>>>> > candy
>>>> > sweets
>>>> >
>>>> > shop=confectionery is used much more often than the other 3 (10K
>vs.
>>>> 300
>>>> > vs. 100 vs. 50) and is likely covering all of these, but is quite
>>>> generic.
>>>> > For the very reason it can be used for both: pastry (baker's
>>>> confections)
>>>> > and candy (sugar confections), it is often less useful IMHO (at
>least
>>>> > without subtag, which is currently not documented). "often",
>because in
>>>> > some countries these tend to be distinct shops, but in other
>contexts
>>>> there
>>>> > might be shops that are offering both kind.
>>>> >
>>>> > If you are looking for sugar confections or baker's confections,
>>>> finding a
>>>> > shop that only sells the other variant of confections will not be
>>>> helpful
>>>> > but rather a big annoyance.
>>>> >
>>>> > From previous discussions on this matter I believe to remember
>that
>>>> > "pastry" is actually not covering the entire subset of baker's
>>>> confections,
>>>> > so the term might be less appropriate.
>>>> >
>>>> > "sweets" is not very specific neither, is not defined in the wiki
>and
>>>> can
>>>> > maybe cover both, candy and pastry, or might be a synonym for
>>>> candy/sugar
>>>> > confections (I am not sure about this, would be nice to hear what
>the
>>>> > natives say). It also doesn't seem to add any additional
>information
>>>> with
>>>> > respect to confectionery, so I would suggest to deprecate its use
>>>> > completely.
>>>> >
>>>> > I think we could deal with this situation in several ways:
>>>> >
>>>> > a) use confectionery, pastry and candy as competing top-level
>tags and
>>>> > suggest to be the most specific where possible (i.e. aim to have
>only
>>>> mixed
>>>> > shops tagged with the generic confectionery tag and recommend the
>more
>>>> > specific pastry and candy tags where applicable).
>>>> >
>>>> > b) recommend to only use confectionery as the main top level tag
>and
>>>> use
>>>> > subtags like bakers_confectionery=yes and/or
>sugar_confectionery=yes to
>>>> > make the distinction
>>>> >
>>>> > c) your suggestion here
>>>> >
>>>> > Personally I favor b). What do you think?
>>>>
>>>> My initial reaction was "there's no overlap between pastry and
>>>> confectionery, they are totally different things". Some cultural
>>>> background: in France, shops selling candys are very rare, but
>shops
>>>> selling pastries are very common because bread shops are everywhere
>>>> and usually also sell pastries and danishes. Pastry-only shops are
>>>> quite rare. See also shop=patisserie (62 uses).
>>>>
>>>> But using shop=confectionery and refining that into raw
>sug^W^Wsubtags
>>>> makes sense too.
>>>>
>>>> For the subtag itself, I'm not a fan of FOO_confectionery=yes: I
>think
>>>> that confectionery=FOO follows established tag-creation best
>practices
>>>> better. It's used a bit in the db already. And if one needs to tag
>>>> multiple types, either "confectionery=FOO;BAR" or
>>>> "confectionery:FOO=yes confectgionery:BAR=yes" works for me (but I
>>>> prefer the later).
>>>>
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