How do you map individual plants with berries of patches with herbs? I need this for a smal garden with 1 Strawberry plant and 1 grape plant. For the apple and learn trees in the garden I can use the tree tag with genus/taxon. Don't know what to use for the non-trees.
m Op 30 jul. 2017 01:13 schreef "Warin" <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > On 30-Jul-17 12:04 AM, Tobias Zwick wrote: > >> Thanks for your answers. It looks like it is pretty clear what is the >> currently accepted tag for orchards then. As for the difference between >> orchard and farmland - ignoring plantation for its missing documentation >> and very rare use -, we identified the following key differences between >> orchard and farmland which should be very clear: >> >> - In an orchard, plants are cultivated which are perennial, the plants >> have continuance. Usually only the fruit of the plants are picked. >> From satellite imagery, orchards usually appear as systematically >> planted bushes/trees or rows of hedges separated by corridors (for >> machines/workers) >> >> - Farmland grows plants that are harvested as a whole (i.e. with >> tractors), thus the actual crop can change during the years and >> even several times within a year (see crop rotation) as after the >> harvest, nothing is left from the plant. On satellite imagery, >> they usually appear as an acre, meadow (when fallow) or densely >> planted high grass/cereals. >> > > Some orchards are harvested using tractors too... so that is not a > deciding factor of orchard to farmland. > > > Crop rotation can be tagged using multiple values > > e.g. produce=wheat;barley Farmers will follow market trends compatible > with their equipment and farm soil/climate .. fairly consistent choices for > them. > > >> Apart from that, I generally agree with those that answered that they >> would prefer "produce" - for the same reasons. Especially for things >> like oil_palms, banana_plants, coffee_plants, vanilla_plants, the >> various types of berries etc. the "trees" key does not really fit. >> >> Moving forward, would anyone think that "produce" is definitely the >> wrong key to use for detailing on the produce/crop/type of orchards? (I >> am not rallying to make the other two keys deprecated here, this is just >> about which of the three keys the app should use to add a tag.) >> > > The keys 'tree' and 'crop' are not universal to the output of 'farms' eg > oysters, where as the key 'produce' looks to be universal. > > The key 'tree' is being misused to tag things that are not trees e.g. > strawberry plants. > > A mapper sees plants in a field and they are worth mapping. > But in terms of what comes out the farm gate, the produce key is best. > > >> Greetings >> Tobias >> >> P.S: Here is a list of different types of produce (of orchards aka >> plantations) we identified. Currently mostly "translated" to the >> "trees"-tagging: >> https://github.com/rugk/crops-parser/blob/master/osmcrops.csv >> > > The list is for the key 'crop'. > > And it contains some that could be better - e.g. crop=walnut_trees ... > the tree is not the crop/produce. > > It may be possible to have a more structured approach as the table hints > at with crop=nut. > > For example > > produce=nut > > nut=walnut > > produce=vegetable > > vegetable=tomato > > The OSMwiki page on produce has some more thoughts .. (at least some are > mine - use with caution!) > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:produce > > > >> On 27/07/2017 23:05, Christoph Hormann wrote: >> >>> On Thursday 27 July 2017, Tobias Zwick wrote: >>> >>>> Together with Roland Krüger, I am in the process of letting users of >>>> StreetComplete, a surveyor app for OpenStreetMap, specify the produce >>>> of orchards.[1] >>>> We did a lot of research on which plants are grown on orchards [2] >>>> and are now at the point where we need to decide how these should be >>>> tagged. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, there are *three* competing keys to describe basically >>>> the same things (for orchards). Neither of these is deprecated, all >>>> are in use: trees, crop and produce. >>>> >>> Taginfo is your friend to find out what tags are most commonly used. >>> >>> It tells you on >>> >>> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/landuse=orchard#combinations >>> >>> landuse=orchard + trees=*: 82k cases >>> landuse=orchard + crop=*: 4.9k cases >>> landuse=orchard + produce=*: 2.9 cases >>> >>> and you can also see that genus=* and species=* are much more common >>> than crop=* or produce=*. >>> >>> If you look at: >>> >>> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/crop#values >>> >>> You can see that this tag is most commonly used for farmland. >>> >>> If you look down the list you can also spot 945 cases of >>> crop=bananas,_papapyas,_mangos >>> >>> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/crop=bananas%2C_papap >>> yas%2C_mangos >>> >>> which - if you follow the link to overpass turbo - turn out to all be on >>> an island in Nicaragua in combination with landuse=orchard. >>> >>> Safe to say that trees=* is the dominating method to tag what is grown >>> in an orchard. >>> >>> Note the wiki is currently fairly unclear about the separation between >>> landuse=orchard and landuse=farmland. On >>> >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Alanduse%3Dorchard >>> >>> it suggests landuse=plantation for fruit bushes which links to >>> landuse=plant_nursery which is clearly unsuited for this purpose. This >>> seriously needs clarification. >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >
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