On 10/24/2018 4:27 AM, Christoph Hormann wrote:
*When* to add a lgbtq=yes tag can be hard to know. In some places a
gay bar can be easily identified by a prominent rainbow flag. Some
cultures are less accepting, so bars might not be so blatant (I've
seen this in the EU). Using the common OSM rules of "local
knowledge", people within the local LGBTQ community are probably the
best place to make a final call.
Based on what you wrote i have a bit of a problem seeing a verifiable
meaning of the tag you are contemplating here. If there is some sort
of certification system for bars based on objective criteria similar to
hotel stars ratings that would be something that can be tagged but a
subjective assessment based on perceived tolerance and friendliness or
by statistics of the clientele seems problematic.
I know many bars, restaurants, shops, and other businesses that fly a
rainbow flag out of solidarity with the LGBTQ communities, but are not,
best I can tell, gay establishments in any meaningful sense. Sometimes
these flags appear when a business first opens, or sometimes they go up
during Pride Week and simply remain indefinitely, like Halloween decor
that somehow survives into the new year. I suppose you could interpret
them as lgbtq=permissive (though frankly that sounds a little insulting)
but not lgbtq=yes.
Obviously, though, gay (etc) businesses are a real thing! And it's a
thing that many people would like to know about a place, whether they're
seeking it or avoiding it. The venerability is tricky. As Justice Potter
Stewart said, "I know it when I see it" -- but I can't imagine how a
"certified gay" system would work.
The fact that homosexuality is criminalized or otherwise marginalized in
many parts of the world adds to this problem. Some establishments might
not want to draw attention to themselves in this way but would prefer to
rely on word-of-mouth.
These are definitely tricky waters. My suggestion would be to only tag
lgbtq=* if the establishment itself communicates this in an official way
-- though written signs, fliers, official business website/social media
account. Unfortunately this will exclude a large number of gay
businesses, but I'd say that if they prefer a subtler approach it's not
a mapper's job to out them.
J
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