It is perfectly acceptable to come up with better tagging for established things and deprecate the old one, if we also invite downstream users from the start of the process (anyone?).
I didn't recall commenting on the talk page but looks like I had pretty good arguments. To accommodate rooms&tables, perhaps we could use nappy_changing=yes. Its scheme would then be: 1) If both toilets are mapped as a separated node: amenity=toilets wheelchair=designated nappy_changing=yes amenity=toilets wheelchair=no nappy_changing=no 2) if both toilets are mapped as a single node: amenity=toilets wheelchair=yes nappy_changing=yes nappy_changing:location=room/toilets/female_toilets/maie_toilets/wheelchair_toilets 3) if toilet that belongs to an amenity or a building doesn't have it's own object, for ex with a bar: amenity=bar toilets:wheelchair=yes nappy_changing=yes nappy_changing:location=room/toilets/female_toilets/maie_toilets/wheelchair_toilets Other possible tags: nappy_changing:for=adult/child nappy_changing:capacity=<count of tables> nappy_changing:fee=* nappy_changing:access=* nappy_changing:height=* nappy_changing:vending/dispensing=nappies;rash_cream;powder;wet_wipe;gloves;hand_sanitizer;pad;motrin;tylenol;... nappy_changing:services=bench;shelf;potty;pillow;pad;... Is it correct that nappy_changing:location=toilets is equivalent to nappy_changing:location=unisex? On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 11:20 PM Michael Brandtner via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > I’m not a native speaker but I don’t think there will be any confusion > when using changing_table. I don’t know of any changing tables for adults > outside of nursing homes. In case of need we can add > changing_table:for=adults. > > Am Freitag, April 19, 2019, 11:06 PM schrieb marc marc < > marc_marc_...@hotmail.com>: > > I encourage you to make a proposal if you want. > > in reality the problem #1 is that some members of the community are very > cautious when there is a 1:1 change proposal to replace a bad > "not-low-usage" key with a new better key, including those who have > never filled one of this object in osm nor used the data about this > object :( > Maybe your proposal will pass sucess due it is changing one key > with several others. > > the problem of existing applications (there are only 4 reported on > taginfo) is not a problem. it is possible to ask it to support the 2 > keys for 1 month and to make a mass edition in the middle of the month. > but here again the problem is the timidity of some members > > the small question that remains, should the key be called > baby_changing_table or changing_table? some people talked > about adult tables (I have a little trouble imagining an adult > on a table). that could avoid confusion > > > Le 19.04.19 à 22:46, Valor Naram a écrit : > > You (Warin) and marc marc made some suggestions on how to improve this > > key. I also found a workaround for the problem of > > > > > [r]eplacing the key `diaper` with `changing_table` [or some other key > > or by any other changings how to tag changing tables] without or with > > the consens of the others of the community would hurt apps like AndOSM > > and other platforms working with the `diaper` key e.g. Babykarte. > > > > I will write a proposal or should I first discuss my ideas with you > instead? > > > > Cheers > > > > Sören alias Valor Naram > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Re: [Tagging] diaper subkey for wheelchair toilets including a > > changing table > > From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> > > To: tagging@openstreetmap.org > > CC: > > > > > > On 19/04/19 05:21, Paul Allen wrote: > >> On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 at 19:54, Valor Naram <valin...@gmx.net > >> <mailto:valin...@gmx.net>> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process#Proposal_list > >> guided me to you. I have the following situation: I want to tag a > >> changing table but this changing table is in the toilet room for > >> wheelchair users. The page at > >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:d > >> iaper states tagging for changing tables is just available in > >> toilets > >> for women,-men and unisex but not in toilets for wheelchair > users. > >> > >> > >> At first glance I thought you wanted to tag places where people in > >> wheelchairs > >> could change their own diapers. Then I checked with the wiki page > and > >> realized what you mean. > >> > >> And then I realized diaper=* is not a good idea for a key. In > >> British English we call > >> them nappies (singular nappy), not diapers. And what the toilet > >> has is not a supply > >> of nappies (diapers) but a CHANGING TABLE. Which is what you > >> described it as, > >> because that's what it is. And had the key been > >> nappy_changing_table instead of diaper > >> I wouldn't have (briefly) misunderstood what you wanted to tag (a > >> changing table in > >> a toilet for wheelchair users, not a place where wheelchair users > >> can change their > >> own nappy). > > > > +1 ... change table! > > > > Wheelies (wheelchair users) also use catheters with bags. Much > > easier to deal with compared to a diaper. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Tagging mailing list > > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >
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