I simply have the feeling that we are heading straight for an escalation course here. I already see it looming that some day the plug might be pulled on iD (being hosted on openstreetmap.org) and I really really don't want this to happen, lest even to think about it makes me sick.
Undoubtedly, the developers behavior is not helping there. I have the impression that they have almost given up on the OSM community. But this doesn't come out of nowhere. I think it is important to understand their side of the story if we were to reverse this development. I had to rewrite this last paragraph several times, but, well, I hope this does not come across the wrong way... it can certainly not continue like this, so ... why not interview him, honestly and with open outcome, how should the collaboration and communication in OSM happen in the future from his point of view? Would he rather feel relieved or rather feel betrayed if the gatekeeping (~deployment) is done by other people? Does he really feel alienated (because I assumed it) from the community and if yes, why? And most importantly, what would it take to reverse this? Tobias On 23/05/2019 17:15, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Though repeated attempts by @bhousel and @quincylvania to declare themselves > as > final arbiters of OSM tagging and dismissing everybody else is certainly not > helping. > > That is really not going to work, and it is a pity because plenty of work > done of him is really great > but it is tainted by ignoring arguments of critics. No one is right all the > time. > > To directly quote part of > https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/6409#issuecomment-495231649 > > "Some things that don't really factor at all into our decision: > > how long a tag with implicit semantics has been in use > how many softwares (renderers / routers or whatever) already support the > implicit rule > how frequently the tag is used > what a handful of people on a mostly dormant mailing list think > what one person has written on the osm wiki > how many downvotes you encourage people to put on our issue list > what they are saying about us in the weekly osm tabloid" > > So someone is dismissing what everybody else thinks and at the same time > expects everybody > to accept his own opinions? > > Some ideas from tagging mailing list and OSM wiki (even after limiting to > popular ones > or "approved") are pointless/harmful but that is not a valid reason to simply > ignore all of them. > > 23 May 2019, 10:16 by o...@westnordost.de: > > I like your wording. It is a burden. He also takes all the complaints for > bugs and when iD steps on someone's shoes. This is a very stressful position > to be in. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
