Thank you Volker for this sum up For this example https://youtu.be/gJQtmxsx7j4?t=201 We have a path made specifically for mtb, with lot of mtb features, and it's in a mountain bike "sport center". For this kind I see nothing wrong to use leisure=track + sport=mtb
For this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7wbi4wGbsg (Andrew's example) We're on the edge of tags definition : this a path limited cyclist, where a mountain bike almost mandatory to ride there. Some features help the cyclist. I would tag may be that with : higway=path access=no bicycle=yes mtb=designated mtb:scale=2 For Singletrail-Skala S4 or S5 http://www.singletrail-skala.de/s4 http://www.singletrail-skala.de/s5 I have difficulties to consider these examples as a cycleway, they are barely paths. Le ven. 3 avr. 2020 à 16:34, Volker Schmidt <vosc...@gmail.com> a écrit : > We need to get some order into this discussion before changing wiki pages, > please. > > Designated cycle paths or, more often, designated mixed foot-cycle paths, > with the blue round signs, that are unpaved (fine-gravel or even grass > surfaces) exist in different countries in Europe. > (we have established ways of tagging) > > In OSM there is a stupid mix-up: highway=path can be used for an unpaved > hiking/walking path (often shared with MTBs, gravel bikes, touring bikes, > horses, donkeys, ...) and shared foot-cycle paths (with foot=designated and > bicycle designated; paved in most cases). This is unfortunate, but so > widely established that we cannot change it. > (we have established tagging for both cases) > > In OSM highway=cycleway implies bicycle=designated and is mostly used for > bicycle-only paths in some countries and for mixed bicycle-foot paths in > others, depending ohte Access Defaults. > (established tagging again) > > The vast majority of ways used by MTBs are shared with pedestrians and > often with other bicycles (touring bikes, gravel bikes) > (we have established tagging for these) > > There are very few (relatively) ways reserved for MTB > (we have no established tagging for these yet, and some may be wrongly > tagged as highway=cycleway) > > There are very few (relatively) ways reserved for BMX bikes > (we have no established tagging for these yet, and some may be wrongly > tagged as highway=cycleway) > > So let's calmly address the very few cases for which we have no > established tagging yet. > And please do not use misleading tagging for these few situations that may > have a detrimental effect on the huge majority of cases that we do have > established approaches for. > > I think the leisure=track approach could work, bu let's look around a bit > first. > I am not familiar with the tagging, but I have seen in the US designated > areas and tracks for 4wd vehicles, how are those tagged? Maybe that could > be a model. > > Volker > > -- Florimond Berthoux
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