On 31. Jul 2020, at 18:25, Jmapb <jm...@gmx.com> wrote: > > But most of the ways in the route have no valid name. Segments were > imported from TIGER with name=State Highway 214 but that's been removed > in favor of ref=NY 214.
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:01 PM Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > around here we keep both, no need to remove the name if it makes sense. State Highway 214 looks like a reasonable name, especially outside of builtup areas. On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 3:15 PM Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree. > > Proof of this is that a section of road which was formerly US Highway 99, > but where the highway ref is now on a new bypass, will often by signed as > “Old Highway 99”, so it’s reasonable to say that the name=* was “Highway > 99” before. > OK, where were you guys the last time I brought this up? On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 3:31 PM Paul Johnson <ba...@ursamundi.org> wrote: > Name is only the name. Names are not refs. For the above example, ref=NY > 214, noname=yes would be the right way. > The last time I mentioned that using 'State Route 214' as a name appeared to be common practice around here if (and only if) the road had no other name. I got quite a chorus of replies, all of which agreed with you. Richard Fairhurst offered a bunch of UK examples with ref=A1234 noname=yes. I've certainly been deleting the ref from 'name_1' where it appears (TIGER put it there throughout) if the road does have another name. I've not been jumping to replace all the other ref-as-name with `noname=yes` (I might do it if I'm editing a way for another reason and happen to notice) because I have better things to do, and because it's the name that the locals use. It even appears on blade signs at some intersections, spelt out. The reductio-ad-absurdum would be to argue that 42nd Street in Manhattan should be `noname=yes ref=???` and participate in a route relation with `network=US:NY:New York:Street ref=42`. I'm sure that would please strict taxonomists, but most people would think it silly to argue that the name of the road at the downtown end of Times Square isn't 'Forty-Second Street'. If 42nd Street can be a name, why can't County Route 23C? There are even parallels for 'the road has a name other than the ref, but the ref remains the common name' in Manhattan. Sixth Avenue is also named Avenue of the Americas. Nowadays, it carries signs for both, but I can remember a time when the locals and the subway said 'Sixth Avenue' and the street signs said 'Avenue of the Americas', confusing the tourists. These are 'name' and 'alt_name', not 'name' and 'ref'; Sixth Avenue was there first. (Also see Seventh Avenue/Fashion Avenue - only in the Garment District; Fourth Avenue/Park Avenue South - the segment south of Union Square) -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin
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