On 4/11/22 00:20, Volker Schmidt wrote:
I think the best way out is to think detached from the meaning of the strings of characters we use for tagging. Let's document that we have have certain values for the key "historic" that describe objects that are not historic, and not even old. After all the purpose of the wiki is to describe the tagging as is, not as it should be an ideal tagging system.


Disagree.

Pedantic hat on: This way we end up with colour=black for the colour white. And colour=clam for some aesthetic judgement of the colour.


We voting on the key/tag, as proposed not the past use (misuse) of the key.

If people want to tag 'old' things with  the key 'old' .. I would rather they use the tag start_date=* as that would have more information.

A 30 year old may think something 50 years 'old' is 'old', an 80 year 'old' probably would not think that is 'old'. Some will conclude that "old' is too subjective to tag within OSM ...


Future example: cloths lines.

There are 4 possible key values - two of them exist in OSM ... one of them I 'like' because I have been using it since childhood. That does not mean that any of the 4 values is 'wrong' .. the question should be what makes the most sense for most people, failing that what is easiest to meaningfully translate into other languages (note the trailing s!). Still thinking about that.

Using a tag for things other than the common meaning of that word (or word group) is simply confusing and should be avoided.



On Thu, 3 Nov 2022, 14:05 Brian M. Sperlongano, <zelonew...@gmail.com> wrote:

    The main issue I have with this proposal is that there is a
    longstanding controversy regarding the historic key.  Namely, the
    question of whether it is used for things that are historic or
    merely old.  I don't see how a proposal centered around this key
    can move forward with that fundamental debate unaddressed.

    On Thu, Nov 3, 2022, 8:56 AM Anne-Karoline Distel
    <annekadis...@web.de> wrote:

        Thanks for pointing that out, I've closed the vote again, and
        will open
        again tomorrow. I don't know if that it the procedure when you
        correct
        an oversight on the proposal page.

        Anne

        On 03/11/2022 12:16, Daniel Capilla wrote:
        > Please,
        >
        > Check the wiki talk page of this proposal before opening the
        voting
        > time. Some issues are not cleared resolved.
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        > Thank you.
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        > Daniel Capilla
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