Hello, I think it is important to be precise in the language we use. Therefore I'd like to point out that this is a mailing list and not a forum.
If you find the UI poor then this likely due to the way you use the mailing list. Browsing the archives on the list website is not how I participate on current topics. I use mostly my phone's email client. My email client does thread topics together which allows to follow or skip certain topics. Just thought I throw this in because when people speak of a forum I don't think of this mailing list and forum UI has in my view no relevance to mailing list UI. Cheers, Seb -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. On 20 September 2019 5:25:18 pm AEST, Edoardo Neerhut <e...@mapillary.com> wrote: >Thanks for bringing this up Herbert. > >*Similar sentiments* >This has actually been bothering me the last few weeks as I started to >realise how much of my day is spent reading through talklists that do >not >have relevance to me or that I do not have time to respond to. For >those of >us subscribed to multiple talklists, it becomes a very time consuming >and >inefficient communication method. > >The problem is that you need to read every single one in case you miss >something relevant. There are lot of good conversations taking place >and I >wish I had time to engage more, but I need to be selective. > >*The platform* >I like the idea of a forum which can be categorised and allow the >viewer to >make quicker decisions about which topics that would like to engage >with. >Whether that is the OpenStreetMap forum or something else doesn't >bother >me. Although the OpenStreetMap forum would make sense so that people >can >find it easily. > >Slack is very convenient, but it is not good for important discussions >because the messages get archived unless you sign up to a cost >prohibitive >plan which our community would not be able to afford. > >*Setting a standard* >I am not sure any of this can be dictated, but it is a good discussion >to >have and I would be interested to see how the rest of the community >feels. >Of course asking here is inherently going to target those already using >the >talklists, so I will bring this up in other places as well. > >Overall I support the interest to discuss this on a more efficient, >intuitive platform. > >On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 at 09:10, David Wales <daviewa...@disroot.org> >wrote: > >> I am a member of some international OSM Slack channels. >> >> However, because it requires a whole different app (which I only have >> space for on my computer), I only check it monthly at best. >> >> On the other hand, I read every talk-au message within a few days of >> original posting, because they all arrive in my email inbox on my >phone. >> >> If the number of talk-au emails reaches overwhelming levels, it might >be >> necessary to investigate other solutions. However, I don't think we >have >> reached that point yet. >> >> If we ever did explore alternatives, I would prefer an open platform, >> which we can host ourselves, rather than Slack or some other >proprietary >> system. >> >> Regards, >> David >> >> On 20 September 2019 4:31:44 pm AEST, Frederik Ramm ><frede...@remote.org> >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> On 9/20/19 03:14, Herbert.Remi via Talk-au wrote: >>> >>>> I will post several concerns and information on several issues, but >the >>>> first is this platform itself. >>>> >>> >>> You call this platform a "forum" which is ok in the abstract sense, >but >>> note that there is actually an Australia forum in addition to this >>> Australia mailing list >>> (https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=24). The forum >>> provides a slightly different user experience but is used less. >>> >>> In other countries, people have set up Slack channels or Facebook >groups >>> or even more esoteric channels of communication, in addition of or >as a >>> replacement for mailing lists - browse >>> https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index if you want to get an >idea. >>> >>> There's no strict rule about where the OSM community should discuss >>> their issues, however media that requires prior registration with a >>> third-party entity - like Slack or Facebook - are sometimes frowned >upon >>> as they give control over who can participate to that third party >and >>> might require the participant to agree to wide-ranging exploitation >of >>> their personal data by a commercial entity. >>> >>> In Germany where I hail from, the forum and the mailing list are >used by >>> about the same number of (but largely different) people, and since >the >>> total number of contributors is large enough to guarantee lively >>> discussion on both, that's totally fine. Germany also has mailing >lists >>> for individual states but they are used very little, and even >>> state-specific issues would often be discussed on the nationwide >list to >>> ensure they get enough attention. >>> >>> Speaking very generally, OSM has achieved the success it has with a >>> "just do it" attitude: Instead of saying, 15 years ago, "BEFORE we >>> start, let's come up with a good data scheme and a feature >catalogue", >>> people said "let's just start and then fix things as we go along". >>> >>> My recommendation would be to just stat discussing whatever needs >>> discussing on the talk-au mailing list and branch out as the need >>> arises. If something is worth discussing then a non-ideal UI should >not >>> be the blocker, and if it is, then maybe the issue is not so >important. >>> >>> Bye >>> Frederik >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-au mailing list >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >>
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