Thank you for the information. I've included the original email below, and I've attached the waiver.
*Original message:* From: Aaron Fang Shenhao <aaronshenhao2...@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 1:54 am Subject: Permission to Incorporate PTV's CC BY Data Into OpenStreetMap To: <cont...@dpc.vic.gov.au> Dear Department of Premier and Cabinet, Thank you for making Public Transport Victoria’s open data available under the Creative Commons CC BY 4.0 license at data.vic.gov.au. I am a volunteer of OpenStreetMap <https://www.openstreetmap.org/>, a collaborative open project to create a global geodata set freely usable by anyone on share-alike and attribution terms under the Open Database License (ODbL) <http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/summary/>. We’re very interested in using the data in Public Transport Victoria’s open data to improve OpenStreetMap. In order to facilitate this, we need to confirm with you that Public Transport Victoria has no objections. In particular, there are two issues we would like to clarify. First, because OpenStreetMap's data comes from thousands of local volunteers as well as numerous government sources, attribution to all such sources on an OpenStreetMap-based map or similar visual display is impossible. Instead, we provide attribution (including original license information) to major sources like Public Transport Victoria on our Contributors page <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#%5Byour%20region%5D>. OpenStreetMap users are then required to attribute "OpenStreetMap Contributors" in a collective fashion <https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright> when using any OpenStreetMap data. CC BY's attribution requirements are relatively general, so we just need you to confirm that you would consider OpenStreetMap's attribution method to attribute Public Transport Victoria in a "reasonable manner" in accordance with Section 3(a)(1) of the CC BY 4.0 license. Second, the ODbL and CC BY 4.0 have slightly different ways of addressing digital rights management technologies. The ODbL allows data users to apply technical protection measures to their own works so long as they also provide an unrestricted version of the underlying database, including their own additions ("parallel distribution"). In contrast, CC BY 4.0 can be read to prohibit any application of technical protection measures to databases that include CC BY material. This is a relatively minor difference in how the licenses are drafted, but means that in some cases, users who comply with ODbL might not comply with CC BY 4.0. In practice, we have found that parallel distribution is an excellent way of ensuring open access to data while allowing flexibility in use. Thus, we ask that, to the extent CC BY 4.0 Section 2(a)(5)(B) prohibits any downstream restrictions even when parallel distribution is available, you waive this license restriction as to OSM and its users. This waiver would have no effect on Public Transport Victoria’s original dataset and only pertains to the restrictions allowed on combinations of that data with OSM data. Thank you for your consideration. If Public Transport Victoria is amenable, can you please check off the boxes in the attached form and return a signed version to me? If you have any questions or would like more information about OpenStreetMap, please do not hesitate to contact me by e-mail. Regards, Aaron Fang Shenhao Local OSM Representative http://www.openstreetmap.org http://localosmgroup.tld On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 at 4:14 pm, Andrew Harvey <andrew.harv...@gmail.com> wrote: > Unfortunately it is quite common to not hear back. Which email did you > send to? It's worth sending a reminder email. > > > On Wed., 20 Nov. 2019, 11:58 am Aaron, <aaronshenhao2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Just checking up on this. It's been 2 months since I sent the waiver, is >> it a normal waiting period, or did I address the wrong person or something? >> :P >> >> Thanks, >> Aaron. >> >> On Sun, 15 Sep 2019 at 4:39 pm, Sebastian S. <mapp...@consebt.de> wrote: >> >>> Hi and also welcome, >>> It would be good if you update the wiki once you've sent the waiver >>> request off. >>> This helps tracking what's going on. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Seb >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >>> >>> On 14 September 2019 10:01:34 pm AEST, Aaron Fang Shenhao < >>> aaronshenhao2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thank you both for the helpful info! >>>> >>>> I'll get onto sending the waiver letter to PTV. Once it comes back I'll >>>> make sure to update the wiki and report back. >>>> >>>> I've summarised the number of stops and routes in the dataset for >>>> anyone who is interested. >>>> >>>> Transport Medium │ No. stops No. routes >>>> ════════════════════╪════════════════════════ >>>> Metropolitan Train │ 222 99 >>>> Metropolitan Tram │ 1673 73 >>>> Metropolitan Bus │ 18241 354 >>>> Regional Train │ 110 206 >>>> Regional Bus │ 6644 356 >>>> Regional Coach │ 859 658 >>>> Night Bus │ 452 22 >>>> TeleBus │ 100 8 >>>> Interstate │ 11 11 >>>> SkyBus │ 5 2 >>>> >>>> For completeness, here's the summary from OSM using the tags >>>> railway=station, railway=tram_stop and highway=bus_stop inside the area >>>> ISO3166-2=AU-VIC. >>>> >>>> Transport Medium │ No. stops No. routes >>>> ══════════════════╪════════════════════════ >>>> Train │ 442 38 >>>> Tram │ 1570 91 >>>> Bus │ 4793 716 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 6:15 PM Andrew Harvey <andrew.harv...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 at 23:29, Aaron Fang Shenhao < >>>>> aaronshenhao2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>> >>>>>> This is my first time using the mailing list. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Welcome! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I’ve noticed that PTV’s (Public Transport Victoria) datasets ( >>>>>> https://www.ptv.vic.gov.au/footer/data-and-reporting/datasets/) all >>>>>> fall under Creative Commons International 4.0, which requires explicit >>>>>> permission to be used according to OSM’s blog. I’ve looked at the wiki >>>>>> and >>>>>> can’t find any of these specific datasets in the list approved for use. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Graeme pointed to the catalogue on the wiki of waiver status. I missed >>>>> PTV when doing the initial round, so feel free to add this to the wiki >>>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Has anyone asked for permission to use these datasets before? I >>>>>> downloaded the GTFS dataset for a programming project, and it seems >>>>>> amazing: we could add all the stops and connect all the routes for all >>>>>> modes of transport in VIC just from this dataset? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I haven't approached PTV about this, and since it's not listed on the >>>>> wiki, I'd say go ahead and put together the waiver letter and send it off. >>>>> The metadata records have a contact email you can use. If you do send off >>>>> a >>>>> waiver request please update the status and date you sent it to the wiki >>>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue, this >>>>> really helps the rest of the community see what's going on. >>>>> >>>>> There'd still be a fair bit of manual work involved in an import to >>>>> avoid duplicates and to integrate with what's already in OSM, but with a >>>>> solid plan and engaging with this mailing list and local mappers with the >>>>> plan and execution, an import could be a good thing to do. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 at 12:33, Graeme Fitzpatrick < >>>>> graemefi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I see there is reference to >>>>>> https://www2.delwp.vic.gov.au/maps/spatial-data/victorian-spatial-data#Vicmap_Transport-11 >>>>>> being >>>>>> OK but that doesn't appear to be the same thing? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately not, VicMap Transport only has airports, roads and >>>>> railway lines. The PTV data has bus stops and a few other datasets. >>>>> >>>>
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