HI Folks
My opinion on the topic (as a past track/trail manager) is that if you are not a local actively involved with the trail managers then you need to be very careful. There can often be rehabilitation at the start and end of closed/illegal tracks and no active rehabilitation on other parts. Despite the fact that they 'appear on the ground' they may be part of a larger plan for removal or rehabilitation. Best to contact the managers of the area and see what their preferences are for illegal tracks. In general, areas actively used by walkers and bikers will have some connection with the trail manager and are likely working to some agreed plan. Its clear this area is an active location for bikers so I would defer to them. Biking and walking groups often go to a lot of trouble to get the managers on side and in agreement with development of trails. By 2 bobs worth Cheers - Phil From: osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au <osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au> Sent: Friday, 29 October 2021 2:05 PM To: 'OSM Australian Talk List' <talk-au@openstreetmap.org> Subject: [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." (in Nerang National Park) https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/112722497 "Removing closed or illegal trails. Tidy up of Fire Roads and places" My opinion on the topic is: If it exists on the ground, it gets mapped. If there is no legal access, that's access=no or access=private. If it's a path that has been created by traffic where it's not officially meant to go, it's informal=yes. That seems to be in line with the previously established consensus on the list here: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2019-September/012863.html I have no local knowledge of the area and am not really invested in this one way or another, but I feel that paths that verifiably physically exist on the ground (which I assume these are) shouldn't be simply deleted. If access is legally prohibited in some way, then the tags should reflect that, not the way simply being deleted. What's the general opinion about this? Cheers, Thorsten
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