Thanks for the conversation. Sounds like the Aussie mappers are in clear agreement so updated https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Land_and_boundaries#Administration_Levels
On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 at 15:40, Andrew Harvey <andrew.harv...@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree, indeed some are already mapped this way > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7032873 > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 at 15:20, cleary <o...@97k.com> wrote: > >> >> This was discussed about a decade ago in regard to unincorporated areas >> in NSW and SA. The prevailing view was that unincorporated areas are local >> government areas. They usually have a different administrative structure >> (as distinct from the councils that administer local government in more >> populated areas) but irrespective of administrative structure, they are >> still areas which are subject to a form of local governance. An area does >> not need a council to make it a local government area. >> >> "Unincorporated" means that the administrative body is not a legal entity >> that can enter into contracts/debt etc like a company - usually because the >> areas have insufficient population to support such administrative >> structures. However decision making is often delegated to the local level. >> In NSW, the large western unincorporated area used to be administered by a >> board - I think it has changed and now has an administrator although, as >> far as I know, Roads and Maritime Services remains responsible for the >> roads in the area. Lord Howe Island is an unincorporated area administered >> by a local board. In recent years, Sydney Harbour (including much of >> Parramatta RIver) and Botany Bay have been removed from local council >> controls and are now an unincorporated area of NSW - I am uncertain of the >> administrative arrangements but I think it was intended that state >> government authorities or administrators would exercise necessary >> governance over the Harbour area. >> >> For example, if one views NSW Local Government Areas at >> >> https://www.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?url=https%3A%2F%2Fportal.spatial.nsw.gov.au%2Fserver%2Frest%2Fservices%2FNSW_Administrative_Boundaries_Theme%2FFeatureServer%2F8&source=sd >> and then "left click" (or whatever works in your browser) when the cursor >> is in Sydney Harbour, you will get responses such as "LocalGovernmentArea: >> UNINCORPORATED - SYDNEY HARBOUR AREA" This URL can be acccessed directly >> or via the NSW Spatial Services website. >> >> Unincorporated areas are local government areas, albeit with a different >> form of governance. >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 17 Jun 2024, at 8:51 AM, Brendan Barnes wrote: >> > Hi all, just seeing if there's consensus on what administration level >> > unincorporated areas should have in Australia? >> > >> > In Victoria (and potentially other states), the unincorporated areas >> > are administered by state-level statutory authorities and departments, >> > so I'm thinking admin_level=6 to match equivalent local government >> > authorities. >> > >> > ACT is an exception obviously, with the unincorporated area matching >> > the territory border, so it takes on the higher order admin_level=4. >> > >> > >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Land_and_boundaries#Administration_Levels >> > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_government_in_Australia#Unincorporated_areas >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Talk-au mailing list >> > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-au mailing list >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >> > _______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >
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