Ben Laenen wrote:
On Tuesday 11 October 2011 15:21:47 Jo wrote:
Maybe the fact that this discussion seems to recur every so often is an
indicator that something is not logical about it.
Since these routes ultimately have to be entered by people and these people
make a choice, which is not easily altered (I tried in the case of RoRay)
as to what editor they use, it does matter whether editors support the way
we tag those relations. Ultimately that's why, until recently, all the
route relations had identical note and name tags.
The reason why it keeps coming up is because people fail to learn the basic
rules about mapping in OSM:
(1) don't tag for the renderer (most people seem to grab this idea)
and
(2) don't tag for the editor (this one is more difficult for some to
understand)
We can go on and on, but tagging these routes with name tags is a clear
example of tagging for the editor.
We want to tag for the people and for usabillity.
The current reasoning is flawed.
-The route between 2 points in a network has no name, so we do not tag a
name in OSM.
-People can't work well with unnamed objects, so we give the route a
name by using start point number - end point number
-Since the route has no name, we can't use the name tag and so we put
the name in the note tag.
A purist point of view is made, which is then compromised in the wrong
way and this leads to these discussions over and over again.
Do simply what is needed and have this name where it belongs. In the
name tag.
This will be the end of this ever recurring discussion.
If it is purity that has to come first, then we should have no note tag
as well and those note tags should be deleted?
We are lucky that JOSM supports this note tag, otherwise there was no
way of managing those networks in a decent way.
(Maybe a feature request to 'unsupport' this tag in JOSM is in order?)
With the note tag as it is now, we can also not differentiate the routes
from the different networks, because eg 12-34 can be part of a walking
or biking network. The current practice is from the time that only one
node network existed. Now that ways or regions can be part of several
networks, an update is needed.
So, I repeat my proposal to have a change of the Wiki and a decent name
tag for the routes in a node network, where not only the start and end
number is present but also preceeded by the (abbreviated) network name
as done in the walking network Zuid-Dijleland.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1641610
Every route is then clearly and consistently identifiable in all parts
of the OSM space, be it the overviews on the website, the editors or the
renderers.
And as PolyGlot already said, thanks to his scripts, the change from
note tag to name tag can be done overnight.
We do not need to tag for, but also not to tag against.
Regards,
Gerard.
Ben
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