On 2014-06-17 15:16, Marc Gemis wrote : > From http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Annotation > > source = survey Track from GPS unit (usually GPX fomat) or other > physical survey; suggested addition - survey:date > <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:survey:date>=YYYY-MM-DD > > so IMHO checking the position on aerial images is not included
According to Key:source <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source>, * survey = see above in section "How To Use" * "How To Use": a survey is a survey, a survey is a survey, * and, according to the dictionary, survey = "*to inspect* to view in detail, ... *in order to ascertain* condition, value, etc." * I doubt that "source:maxspeed <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source:maxspeed>=Survey 20 November 2012" was done with a "GPS unit (usually GPX fomat) or other physical survey": your quote is incoherent with Key:source <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source> * in source:XXX=data, XXX is whose key (its name) source applies to and data is the means of verification like visual and survey, including any reference to a publication. When XXX does not exist, source applies to all tags. * there is no XXX specific to precise location indeed. So, to my best understanding of English, *source=survey 2014-04* means that all data have been verified to be correct on that date. _And that's exactly my intention to indicate that all the data of a bus stop entry has been verified_ to spare the next visitor another useless verification. It may happen that there is an error in a TEC entry and, in that case, the survey date will be later than the import date and a note had better explain why. BTW, this has been presented on the Tagging@osm list and nobody denied the meaning of survey, only someone said that he doesn't like the word "survey" for that purpose. Now if you know a better way, don't hesitate to start suggesting. > the source should a) contain some reference to TEC, and what do you think is *TEC 2014-04*? or Julien's http://tec-wl.be 2014-04 instead? But, as we say, Jo should include that in his file. > b) any aerial image you have used (probably Bing). all I said doesn't exclude other sources like *Bing 2004* nor anything else of http://wiki.openstreetmap.org but I will not make an exhaustive list of what mappers are supposed to know already On 2014-06-17 15:18, Ben Abelshausen wrote : > "Survey" does mean explicitly that there was an actual survey > (meaning, going to each and every bus station to check if it is > there!): http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Survey#How_to_use Survey meaning that there was a survey makes no doubt, but the problem is defining the word survey which, typically OSM, that article does not. So, I resorted to a dictionary and it it's a verification by any means, not necessarily going. Checking if it's there, and I'll add "where". Actually, a plain bus stop is where the bus stops. So, having no bus stop simply means that the bus doesn't stop. If TEC says that the bus stops, I have a tendency to believe them, else who should we believe? ;-) Now, regarding the shelters, shoulders etc., and exact position, the police have surveillance cameras to check that no one stole the street. But we, penniless people, have satellites to check that no one stole bus stops ;-) In the north, no problem using them. In the south, it needs some trickery because we cannot copy (yet) orthophotos. The trickery is to find the bus stop on a viewable-only, recent photo, then to check that it's at the same place as on Bing, and then to copy it from Bing. Et voilà. In the rare cases you must go, you can go by bus. Use a delivery itinerary optimizer and a GPS tracker and buy a round trip tourist ticket. Ask the driver if he prefers telling you where he would stop exactly or if you're required to actually push the stop button each time. BTW, I have read that it's the way they make their maps. By running trackers on drivers' GPSes and calculating the mean values. According to the results obtained by TEC, I would recommend buying several round trip tickets ;-) Just a little bit humorously ;-) André. > regards > > m > > > On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 2:55 PM, André Pirard > <a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com <mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > On 2014-06-17 09:21, Marc Gemis wrote : >> >> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:13 PM, André Pirard >> <a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com <mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> If you use *source=survey 2014-06 TEC 2014-04* in bus stops >> as I recommend, you will both comply with the source >> requirement and be sure to find the indication that they >> contain your file's data and can be deleted from the >> remaining-to-be-updated file. >> If an existing element does not contain *source=survey >> 2014-06** TEC 2014-04* or later, it will be kept in the >> remaining-to-be-updated file. If a mapper further updates >> the data, he is kindly requested to use a new date such >> as *source=survey 2014-07* or *source=survey 2014-06-21* . >> >> Sorry, but this is not a survey, this is an import. IMHO, you >> can only use survey when you go out and check the exact position >> of the bus stop. A survey is not transforming data from one >> database format into another. So please do not use source=survey. >> > Survey is not just going out and check the bus position but ITHO >> verb <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/survey> (used with >> object) >> 2.to view in detail, especially to inspect, examine, or appraise >> formally or officially in order to ascertain condition, value, etc. > that is, ascertaining, making sure that all data associated with > the bus stop is correct. > > Importing the TEC data is the reason for adding/updating *TEC > 2014-04* (allowing to check that the import was done). > As the user applying this import is also requested (see > instructions) to adjust the location of the bus stop (not by going > out but simply with Bing etc.), all the data will be "ascertained" > after doing that (unless other data is to be verified) and then > the user can add *survey 2014-04* or later. > > *survey 2014-04* is not an indication of the import but is/should > be in the imported data as a facility for the user to just copy it > instead of having to "type" it for each bus stop. He may keep it, > change it or delete it but you should not tell him not to use it. > > So please *do* use source=survey during the import, but > (*obviously*) *only* after ascertaining all the data. > It indicates that you have adjusted the location etc... and that > it must not be done 10 times. > > André. > > >
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