Hi, I never knew this existed, but apparently you can use place=square to mark squares (NL: plein, FR: place). As explained below, current mapping practice make for some ambiguous situations, which can be avoided using this tag. Use is rising very quickly since mid 2015. Any reason for not using this in Belgium? (only a few are mapped, in Brussels)
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: mbranco <mbran...@gmail.com> Date: 2017-01-02 13:16 GMT+01:00 Subject: [OSM-talk] Square (Place, Platz,Piazza, Plaza, …) To: t...@openstreetmap.org Following are personal thoughts, I'd like to discuss them and discover if it could be a general issue (not only for my country, Italy). *Premise* - Squares are urban areas, whose perimeter is drawable with a single closed way. - These areas have an official name. - The old and very basic paper maps show always at least two elements, for towns/cities: streets and squares (and related names, if they are big enough to show them too). - Inside square areas there could be a lot of different things: highways, monuments, buildings, flowerbeds, … : attributes of the square must refer to all the area, not only a part (relevant or not) of it. - I prefer think that practicability could be one of the (optional) attribute of a square, not the opposite: square is not an (optional) attribute of the practicability --> i.e. highway=pedestrian + area=yes . - highway=pedestrian + area=yes could not mean “square”: there are a lot of pedestrian areas, for example in parks, that are not squares. - Practicability inside a square is fully described by all the highways inside it, the two kind of information (for square and for practicability) can be fully disjointed (for the square with nothing inside and fully pedestrian, the square area and the pedestrian area coincide). *Request* Please render the place=square tag (or a new tag, whatever you prefer). / “Place” is already widely used (and rendered) for urban areas: borough , suburb, quarter, neighbourhood, city_block, ... ; it’s not widely used for squares because it’s not rendered!/ *Hints* - Maybe rendering could use a semi-transparent color and square name could be evidenced, as it’s already done e.g. for landuse=military [1] (a common landuse in urban areas). - Names of the highways inside the square which are identical to the name of the square could be omitted [2] (just only in the rendering, of course). - Another example of possible rendering is here [3] . * Hopes* - Mappers could avoid to put highway=pedestrian + area=yes in squares like this one [4] . - Mappers which don’t like the previous solution but nevertheless think that it’s useful to read the square name in the rendering, could stop to assign arbitrarily the square name to the marketplace, or to the parking area, or to the flowerbed, or to any other item inside the square [5]. - Extraction tools as Osmfilter or Overpass could do selections related to squares, street-guide tools as MapOSMatic could produce better outputs. Thank you for your attention, cheers and Happy New Year! Marco [1] http://osmele.elilan.com/squares/landuse_military.jpg [2] http://osmele.elilan.com/squares/PiazzaRebubblicaNEW2.jpg [3] http://osmele.elilan.com/squares/torino_zoom16NEW2.jpg [4] http://osmele.elilan.com/squares/PiazzaRepubblica_night.jpg [5] http://osmele.elilan.com/squares/wrongSquares.jpg -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n8.nabble. com/Square-Place-Platz-Piazza-Plaza-tp5888469.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Joost Schouppe OpenStreetMap <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/> | Twitter <https://twitter.com/joostjakob> | LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/joost-schouppe/48/939/603> | Meetup <http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/members/97979802/>
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