Hi Matt, I guess i pressed the 'send button' instead of the 'save as draft button'. (as i replied too fast)
I think that you (and Richard) have now provided enough details, that i can put on my 'professional hat'. So if knowone else beets me to it, i'll make the wiki clear and go through the (now standard) 'OSM best practices'*, for getting approval to use external sources of data. *Allthough internally, it is jumbled, there are common themes across the map. It just needs to be summarized a bit better. I started a wiki about 'Importing Government Data', so slowely, but surley, the map gets better, and the underlying data becomes more clear for its source & legaleze. Thanks again for making the data available, now OSM (internally) just needs to see how the puzzle pieces fit. Best Regards, Sam On 5/13/10, Matt Wilkie <matt.wil...@gov.yk.ca> wrote: > Hi Richard, > > Responding now in my capacity as Geomatics Analyst for Yukon Department > of Environment and the person responsible for posting our data publicly > for the last dozen years to places like > http://environmentyukon.ca/geomatics/data.html. > > Thank you for bringing clarity and quesion to the use and re-use of data > in a project like OSM. Unfortunately I cannot respond in kind with clear > legal license agreement or usage statement as we don't have one. The > answer I've been giving usage questions for many years closey resembles: > > ///The data we publish is paid for with public funds and is public > property; private and commercial entities can do with their property > what they wish. It would be courteous to inform us what you are doing > with it and to credit the "Yukon Department of Environment, Information > Management & Technology Branch" or "Environment Yukon" where applicable./// > > It is something of an embarrassment to me we have no official statement. > The open source ecosystem and it's constant attention to and discussion > of licensing has been integral to my work stream for years -- meaning I > can't plead ignorance. I'll take this as a challenge and opportunity to > rectify the lack of clear license terms. It would be helpful in raising > the priority of this project if OSM were to ask for clarity and point > out that lack of it hinders or even blocks use of the data we publish. > (Yes this paraphrases what you just said, but we're having a discussion > akin to meeting over coffee and it does not carry the same weight as an > inquiry). > > Best regards, > > matt wilkie > -------------------------------------------- > Geomatics Analyst > Information Management and Technology > Yukon Department of Environment > 10 Burns Road * Whitehorse, Yukon * Y1A 4Y9 > 867-667-8133 Tel * 867-393-7003 Fax > http://environmentyukon.ca/geomatics/ > -------------------------------------------- > > >>> On 13/05/2010 8:56 AM, Matt Wilkie wrote: >>>> Yes, the parks and protected area data is free and libre, as is all >>>> the gis data from Environment Yukon found on the website. (Please note >>>> that the Wildlife Key Areas does have it's own license agreement.) >>> >>> "Free and libre" mean different things to different people, and OSM >>> uses a particularly strict interpretation in the interest of keeping >>> OSM "cleaner than clean" from a copyright point of view. >>> >>> Please, please, please. Collect the information, link to the license, >>> summarize the license problem areas, and then start a discussion on >>> legal-talk. >>> >>> Just saying, "yeah, we're cool" without backup is risky. >>> The proliferation of homegrown licenses at municipalities is making it >>> very difficult to include that data in OSM. The licenses interact >>> with each other like citrus and dairy in a single glass. Fine in >>> isolation, but a complete mess when mixed. >>> >>> Even if the person in charge grants you an "okay for use in OSM", >>> without a written agreement to relicense as CCBYSA, and in future >>> ODbL, risks the need to remove that data later. >> > -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails _______________________________________________ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
