*And since the introductory paragraph on that page indicates there are* *organizations involved in the planning of this (Stats Canada and City* *of Ottawa) it would be important to know who of those involved in the* *import is acting in a professional capacity for one of these* *organizations** and what their interest is in the matter.*
My personal interpretation. Stats Canada is attempting to involve the public in mapping some characteristics of non residential buildings in a pilot project in Ottawa Gatineau. They were instrumental in identifying the data that the City of Ottawa held and made a request to the City asking if it could be made available. Stats Canada's interest is in making the task of new crowdsourcing mappers as simple as possible and with the local OSM group there is concern about the quality of buildings drawn in iD by new mappers in HOT for example. The City Of Ottawa merely provided the data under their Open Data licence. They will probably be interested in the final results of the survey. Neither organisation is involved in the import directly. The advantage to OpenStreetMap if the Stats Canada pilot is successful is we can expect a number of new mappers. Cheerio John On 19 Oct 2016 4:59 pm, "James" <james2...@gmail.com> wrote: > Ok, Christoph now that I am at a proper computer I can address your > comments: > > *- no link to the source data* > > Have you read the background or just skimmed over it? There is a debate > from StatsCan and the City of Ottawa where the building footprints should > be hosted(Ottawa open data portal, StatsCan website, Federal Goverment open > data portal) so until then it will not be available to the public. The > address data file IS available here: http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/ > addresspoints Which I will add to the documentation > > *- no information on what data you actually intend to import* > > Really? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Ontario: > Ottawa/Import/Plan#Import_Data > "The data used for this import is are two datasets cleaned up by the > OSMCanada team one containing building outlines and the other address > points." > Seems descriptive enough to what we are importing to me. Addresses and > Building footprints. > > *- no information on attribute and geometry processing* > > Under risks and mitigation (https://wiki.openstreetmap. > org/wiki/Canada:Ontario:Ottawa/Import/Plan#Risks), says what will happen > if a building exists what to do. Replace geometry just replaces the way so > by definition attributes are copied over. > > *- no link to the processed data* > > Please see: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Ontario: > Ottawa/Import/Plan#Import_Data there is in *bold:* *Data source site* > which tells you where the processed data can be accessed. Example for > buildings (in Metcalfe(which is a part of Ottawa))https://data. > osmcanada.ca/13/2378/5252/ottawa-buildings.osm?area=350 and for the > addresses: https://data.osmcanada.ca/13/2378/5252/ottawa-address.osm > > > > > > *And since the introductory paragraph on that page indicates there are > organizations involved in the planning of this (Stats Canada and City of > Ottawa) it would be important to know who of those involved in the import > is acting in a professional capacity for one of these organizations and > what their interest is in the matter.* > > I can add points of contact to the documentation > > > > > > > > > > *If this represents the current state of preparation the planned two weeks > time until starting the import seems unrealistic. You need to complete > your plans and preparation to a point where they can be properly assessed > before you can ask for a review here and then you need to allocate > sufficient time afterwards for people to review and to make adjustments > based on the results.* > If you are just going to skim over documentation, what is the point of > creating it? > > On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:28 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> There were a couple of fairly critical dates that happened in the >> background. The first was Stats Canada wanting to announce they had gone >> live on October 17th that date was internal to them and only finalised very >> late in the day, the other was the Open Data license, we've been working >> with the City of Ottawa and Treasury Board to come up with something that >> was acceptable to OSM, TB did a lot of work on the licence with many >> international organisations following a meeting I was at about four or five >> years ago now where we identified there was a problem. >> >> Stats Canada did announce a while back what they were looking for and >> local OSM mappers have been adding tags but they wanted to use a customised >> version of iD and there have been some undocumented features turned up in >> the customisation. So yes it went live October 17th but a week or two >> before they were not 100% certain everything would be in place. >> >> TB's license is fine and other imports have been done in Canada using >> it. We knew the City of Ottawa was about to change its license to align >> with the TB one, again we've been working with them for the last three >> years but it needed a formal approval and during the summer it wasn't >> possible to find the appropriate people to get it formally passed and until >> it was formally passed we couldn't use their data. I sensed a feeling of >> frustration in the City of Ottawa by some of their staff. Plan B was Stats >> would put it up on the TB Open Data portal. >> >> So yes it has all been planned for some time and there has been a sense >> of what another delay with the local mappers but the data only became >> available under the correct license very recently and I think there was a >> bit of rush to get the import done after all the twiddling of thumbs. >> >> Cheerio John >> >> On 19 October 2016 at 14:59, Alan Richards <alarob...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I like it overall. Nice to see more quality data being added, and I'm >>> personally pretty pro-import generally. >>> >>> However, just from following this list, I was surprised that the import >>> was suddenly being done. I recall seeing messages about the possibility of >>> a project, and it sounded like it was slowly moving forward, but there >>> wasn't a lot of activity. It is clear now that a lot of the discussion was >>> happening offline at local meetups. To me this is fine with an active >>> community like Ottawa has, but perhaps the fact that this was going on >>> should have been shared back to the mailing list to show the progress that >>> was happening. The fact that a tasking manager was actually running and >>> data being imported and verified was quite a surprise, and obviously then >>> led to the unwanted revert. >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 11:49 AM, John Marshall <rps...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Looks good to me. >>>> >>>> I only would add if there are multiple buildings and it is not not >>>> clear what the correct address are, local survey may be required. Then add >>>> a note like this: https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/741666 >>>> >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 1:57 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> A comment the data is of high quality and the building outlines are of >>>>> particular interest to the Stats Canada Project where Statistics Canada is >>>>> attempting to crowd source adding tags added to non residential buildings >>>>> within the City of Ottawa and Gatineau. These include the number of >>>>> levels >>>>> and the use of the building. They will be suggesting using a customised >>>>> iD >>>>> to their general public but given the experience of iD mapping buildings >>>>> in >>>>> HOT it was thought that importing the building outlines would give a >>>>> better >>>>> quality map at the end. >>>>> >>>>> Cheerio John >>>>> >>>>> On 19 October 2016 at 13:45, James <james2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Seems like a good enough time like any other to talk about the import >>>>>> of Ottawa buildings and addresses into OpenStreetMap. >>>>>> >>>>>> Documentation is available here: >>>>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Ontario:Ottawa/Import/Plan >>>>>> >>>>>> Discussion with local mappers has happened in person for multiple >>>>>> months(community buy in is very high in these meetings and we all saw >>>>>> benefit in including this data) : >>>>>> https://www.meetup.com/openstreetmap-ottawa/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Once positive discussion of a period of 2 weeks has been met, we >>>>>> would like to start the import of said data. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Talk-ca mailing list >>>>>> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >>>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Talk-ca mailing list >>>>> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Talk-ca mailing list >>>> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> >> > > > -- > 外に遊びに行こう！ >
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