Hi all, This is excellent initiative to take advantage of qualified data. Universities can be partners at this initiatives for checking data quality as part of research activity also developing some automatic algorithm for quality check from contributor embedding on the OSM platform.
Personally this is a win-win project for both parties. I am very excited and will support the project definitely by providing technical feedback and also quality check. Best regards. Mojgan ________________________________________________ *Mojgan (Amaneh) Jadidi, PEng, MSc, Ph.D. * Assistant Lecturer Geomatics Engineering | Department of Earth & Space Science & Engineering | Lassonde School of Engineering YORK UNIVERSITY 148 Petrie Science & Engineering Building | 4700 Keele Street | Toronto ON M3J 1P3 | Canada T: (416) 736 2100 Ext. 77704 | F: (416) 736 5817 | E: mjad...@yorku.ca | W: esse.lassonde.yorku.ca/ On 29 September 2017 at 09:41, <talk-ca-requ...@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Send Talk-ca mailing list submissions to > talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > talk-ca-requ...@openstreetmap.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > talk-ca-ow...@openstreetmap.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Talk-ca digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Building Canada 2020 initiative (john whelan) > 2. Re: Building Canada 2020 initiative (James) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> > To: James <james2...@gmail.com> > Cc: "Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN)" <alessandro.ala...@canada.ca>, " > talk-ca@openstreetmap.org" <talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> > Bcc: > Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 09:37:17 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Building Canada 2020 initiative > But that is only a single person for a project of this size you need some > sort of team approach. Although buses are fairly safe the odd one gets hit > by a train and if you happen to be sitting in the front seat you may not be > available to sort things out. > > Cheerio John > > On 29 September 2017 at 09:33, James <james2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> To answer you question about who would organise the tasking manager, I'm >> willing to do so. >> >> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 9:24 AM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> A couple of comments: >>> >>> 1. Pierre Beland <https://mobile.twitter.com/pierzen?p=s> has >>> identified 95% of contributors only map 6% of the assets. >>> https://mobile.twitter.com/pierzen/status/910551645498552321 We would >>> need to use those 5% of mappers who do the most mapping and they have their >>> own agendas and reasons for mapping. They are more likely to throw their >>> weight behind something that looks achievable and I'm not sure this is. >>> >>> 2. I've put up a sample of buildings being mapped from a mapathon. >>> https://www.jatws.org/johnw/building3.jpg as you can see in my opinion >>> the quality is not suitable for Stats Canada's use. Some buildings are >>> grouped together with others as a single building, others are mapped the >>> wrong shape or size. Quite often buildings are omitted. There are better >>> examples and there are worse examples but it is not untypical and it was >>> this experience that made me suggest the Open Data import route in the >>> first place. >>> >>> So Open Data import is better for quality. Adding tags to building foot >>> prints is less error prone. >>> >>> 3. There are more than 5,000 municipal governments in Canada source >>> Stats Can. It took five years to get the City of Ottawa to update their >>> Open Data license. Treasury Board still hasn't released their Open Data >>> tool kit for the municipalities. With good will I estimate it will take >>> two years to get the Open Data licenses amended. Kingston might be a good >>> target. With any questions and there will be a number, this figure can be >>> expected to drift out to three to four years. Who is responsible to answer >>> questions, in both official languages? Who will make the requests to >>> municipal governments to adopt a usable Open Data license? >>> >>> In Ottawa we had the right mix of resources. We had enough local >>> mappers to discuss things through which is part of the import process. We >>> had good will from the City of Ottawa and they were happy to release >>> building foot print data which had not been part of their Open Data so >>> far. The import process is not simple these days, it would need the steps >>> to follow to be documented and then you get the technical side of the >>> import. I'm a fairly experienced mapper and to be honest I wouldn't >>> attempt the sort of complex import that was done in Ottawa. I'm not sure >>> the Ottawa experience is repeatable more than five thousand times. >>> >>> We can approach the OSM LWG for an opinion on existing licenses but they >>> are volunteers and for five thousand opinions that would take a >>> considerable amount of time and if the license weren't the TB toolkit ones >>> I wouldn't even bother. >>> >>> The community is supposed to be doing this. Fine but a project manager >>> and a project plan might make it run more smoothly. Data quality will be >>> important so how will it be verified? Who will be responsible for >>> organising task manager tiles for the whole country? Who will identify the >>> group of mappers who are "local" to a small municipality? Remember these >>> have a critical decision making role to play in the import process. >>> >>> Have fun. >>> >>> Cheerio John >>> >>> >>> On 28 September 2017 at 16:48, Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN) < >>> alessandro.ala...@canada.ca> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all! >>>> >>>> Statistics Canada was a partner of the 2017 HOT Summit held in Ottawa, >>>> Sept 14-15. In parallel to the summit, Statistics Canada hosted a workshop >>>> to discuss the possibility of launching a community-led initiative titled >>>> “Building Canada 2020”. >>>> >>>> The goal and vision of this initiative is simple: *map all buildings >>>> in Canada on OSM by the year 2020*. The workshop was well attended. >>>> There were about 50 people from various sectors (federal, academic, civic >>>> group, and private). This was a preliminary discussion amongst a small >>>> group of people, but now that broad interest has been confirmed more >>>> stakeholders need to be involved! >>>> >>>> A short summary of the workshop along with a first draft *Roadmap to >>>> implementation* has been posted on the OSM Wiki at: >>>> *https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020* >>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020> >>>> >>>> Everyone that shares the vision of “mapping all buildings in Canada on >>>> OSM by the year 2020” is invited to contribute to the discussion and >>>> the roadmap to implementation. In addition, there is still need to discuss >>>> how coordination, communication and governance of this initiative can be >>>> set in place. >>>> >>>> One important aspect that needs to be emphasized is that “Building >>>> Canada 2020” is not a Statistics Canada project. In fact, it is not >>>> properly a project of any sort. It is a vision and an aspirational goal. >>>> The hope is that many organizations and contributors working with an open >>>> data resource (OSM) can coordinate their efforts through a multitude of >>>> projects, initiatives, and activities towards a common goal that would >>>> benefit society at large. >>>> >>>> My team at Statistics Canada (DEIL) has been working on a pilot project >>>> with OSM (which was presented at the HOT Summit). We are looking at the >>>> possibility of a second Statistics Canada project to expand to other cities >>>> the work done with the pilot in Ottawa and Gatineau. If this happens, this >>>> StatCan project would contribute to, and align with, the Building Canada >>>> 2020 initiative. Hopefully this will be but one of many projects and >>>> activities contributing to the vision. Where possible, we would be happy to >>>> coordinate work with other organizations or groups that share the vision. >>>> We would also be happy to share experiences and the tools developed while >>>> working with building information on OSM. >>>> >>>> We look forward to further collaboration with the OSM communities as we >>>> move forward with the second phase of our project and expand to more >>>> cities. >>>> >>>> Best regards >>>> Alessandro and DEIL Team >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Talk-ca mailing list >>>> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-ca mailing list >>> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> 外に遊びに行こう！ >> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: James <james2...@gmail.com> > To: john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> > Cc: "Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN)" <alessandro.ala...@canada.ca>, " > talk-ca@openstreetmap.org" <talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> > Bcc: > Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 09:41:36 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Building Canada 2020 initiative > I and others can give access to people to create projects on the tasking > manager. I understand that one person might disapear, i'll try not to die > in the next 2 years ;) > > On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 9:37 AM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> But that is only a single person for a project of this size you need some >> sort of team approach. Although buses are fairly safe the odd one gets hit >> by a train and if you happen to be sitting in the front seat you may not be >> available to sort things out. >> >> Cheerio John >> >> On 29 September 2017 at 09:33, James <james2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> To answer you question about who would organise the tasking manager, I'm >>> willing to do so. >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 9:24 AM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> A couple of comments: >>>> >>>> 1. Pierre Beland <https://mobile.twitter.com/pierzen?p=s> has >>>> identified 95% of contributors only map 6% of the assets. >>>> https://mobile.twitter.com/pierzen/status/910551645498552321 We would >>>> need to use those 5% of mappers who do the most mapping and they have their >>>> own agendas and reasons for mapping. They are more likely to throw their >>>> weight behind something that looks achievable and I'm not sure this is. >>>> >>>> 2. I've put up a sample of buildings being mapped from a mapathon. >>>> https://www.jatws.org/johnw/building3.jpg as you can see in my opinion >>>> the quality is not suitable for Stats Canada's use. Some buildings are >>>> grouped together with others as a single building, others are mapped the >>>> wrong shape or size. Quite often buildings are omitted. There are better >>>> examples and there are worse examples but it is not untypical and it was >>>> this experience that made me suggest the Open Data import route in the >>>> first place. >>>> >>>> So Open Data import is better for quality. Adding tags to building >>>> foot prints is less error prone. >>>> >>>> 3. There are more than 5,000 municipal governments in Canada source >>>> Stats Can. It took five years to get the City of Ottawa to update their >>>> Open Data license. Treasury Board still hasn't released their Open Data >>>> tool kit for the municipalities. With good will I estimate it will take >>>> two years to get the Open Data licenses amended. Kingston might be a good >>>> target. With any questions and there will be a number, this figure can be >>>> expected to drift out to three to four years. Who is responsible to answer >>>> questions, in both official languages? Who will make the requests to >>>> municipal governments to adopt a usable Open Data license? >>>> >>>> In Ottawa we had the right mix of resources. We had enough local >>>> mappers to discuss things through which is part of the import process. We >>>> had good will from the City of Ottawa and they were happy to release >>>> building foot print data which had not been part of their Open Data so >>>> far. The import process is not simple these days, it would need the steps >>>> to follow to be documented and then you get the technical side of the >>>> import. I'm a fairly experienced mapper and to be honest I wouldn't >>>> attempt the sort of complex import that was done in Ottawa. I'm not sure >>>> the Ottawa experience is repeatable more than five thousand times. >>>> >>>> We can approach the OSM LWG for an opinion on existing licenses but >>>> they are volunteers and for five thousand opinions that would take a >>>> considerable amount of time and if the license weren't the TB toolkit ones >>>> I wouldn't even bother. >>>> >>>> The community is supposed to be doing this. Fine but a project manager >>>> and a project plan might make it run more smoothly. Data quality will be >>>> important so how will it be verified? Who will be responsible for >>>> organising task manager tiles for the whole country? Who will identify the >>>> group of mappers who are "local" to a small municipality? Remember these >>>> have a critical decision making role to play in the import process. >>>> >>>> Have fun. >>>> >>>> Cheerio John >>>> >>>> >>>> On 28 September 2017 at 16:48, Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN) < >>>> alessandro.ala...@canada.ca> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello all! >>>>> >>>>> Statistics Canada was a partner of the 2017 HOT Summit held in Ottawa, >>>>> Sept 14-15. In parallel to the summit, Statistics Canada hosted a workshop >>>>> to discuss the possibility of launching a community-led initiative titled >>>>> “Building Canada 2020”. >>>>> >>>>> The goal and vision of this initiative is simple: *map all buildings >>>>> in Canada on OSM by the year 2020*. The workshop was well attended. >>>>> There were about 50 people from various sectors (federal, academic, civic >>>>> group, and private). This was a preliminary discussion amongst a small >>>>> group of people, but now that broad interest has been confirmed more >>>>> stakeholders need to be involved! >>>>> >>>>> A short summary of the workshop along with a first draft *Roadmap to >>>>> implementation* has been posted on the OSM Wiki at: >>>>> *https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020* >>>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020> >>>>> >>>>> Everyone that shares the vision of “mapping all buildings in Canada on >>>>> OSM by the year 2020” is invited to contribute to the discussion and >>>>> the roadmap to implementation. In addition, there is still need to discuss >>>>> how coordination, communication and governance of this initiative can be >>>>> set in place. >>>>> >>>>> One important aspect that needs to be emphasized is that “Building >>>>> Canada 2020” is not a Statistics Canada project. In fact, it is not >>>>> properly a project of any sort. It is a vision and an aspirational goal. >>>>> The hope is that many organizations and contributors working with an open >>>>> data resource (OSM) can coordinate their efforts through a multitude of >>>>> projects, initiatives, and activities towards a common goal that would >>>>> benefit society at large. >>>>> >>>>> My team at Statistics Canada (DEIL) has been working on a pilot >>>>> project with OSM (which was presented at the HOT Summit). We are looking >>>>> at >>>>> the possibility of a second Statistics Canada project to expand to other >>>>> cities the work done with the pilot in Ottawa and Gatineau. If this >>>>> happens, this StatCan project would contribute to, and align with, the >>>>> Building Canada 2020 initiative. Hopefully this will be but one of many >>>>> projects and activities contributing to the vision. Where possible, we >>>>> would be happy to coordinate work with other organizations or groups that >>>>> share the vision. We would also be happy to share experiences and the >>>>> tools >>>>> developed while working with building information on OSM. >>>>> >>>>> We look forward to further collaboration with the OSM communities as >>>>> we move forward with the second phase of our project and expand to more >>>>> cities. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards >>>>> Alessandro and DEIL Team >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Talk-ca mailing list >>>>> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Talk-ca mailing list >>>> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> 外に遊びに行こう！ >>> >> >> > > > -- > 外に遊びに行こう！ > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > >
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