On 9 Sep 2009, at 22:06, Christoph Böhme wrote: > Hi! > > Ciarán Mooney <general.moo...@googlemail.com> schrieb: > >> I am trying to merge some bus stops on Penns Lane, Sutton Coldfield. >> >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.53496&lon=-1.81479&zoom=15&layers=B000FTF >> >> I have moved them all to the correct position. Some of them were >> spectacularly off, I was very surprised that the Naptan data was that >> bad! >> >> However on Xoff's little NOVAM viewer I can see they have changed >> colour to orange and they are incomplete, but I don't know why. What >> tags are they missing?? > > I can only see one orange stop which is missing the shelter tag. Did > you manage to fix the other ones? > > The rules for the colouring of the bus stops are as follows: > > Bus stops should show up green if they have > a highway-tag [1] > AND a naptan:AtcoCode-tag > AND NO naptan:unverified-tag > AND NO naptan:verified=no > AND a 'route_ref' tag > AND a shelter tag.
Ok, but why is the route_ref tag required? I don't intend to add route refs to the stops - I am expecting the software to pick that up from the associated routes. Can you remove that requirement or I might end up adding null route_ref tags just to make NOVAM useful to be ;) I am not sure that the shelter tag should be essential. I have added it if there is a shelter and left it off if there is not. Could you represent in the symbol if it is a shelter, but not use shelter=yes/no as a requirement for the stop being green > > A stop is considered a plain naptan stop (blue) if it has > NO highway-tag > AND a naptan:AtcoCode-tag > AND a naptan:unverified-tag OR a naptan:verified=no. But our import had highway=bus_stop turned on - it would be much more useful for most people to ignore that tag for this test. > > Plain OSM stops (yellow) must have > a highway-tag > AND NO naptan:AtcoCode. > Fine > And finally there is the concept of a physically not present stop > (grey). This is a bit unfinished as we have not really decided what to > do with these stops. At the moment a stop classifies as not physically > present if it has > NO highway-tag (to prevent it from showing up on the map) > AND a naptan:atcoCode-tag > AND a physically_present tag set to 'no'. This would be very useful to show > > All remaining stops are displayed as an orange stop. This is a bit of > catch-all which does not actually display merged stops but everything > that is not explicitely marked finished or *not* merged. > On the basis of the above comments all my stops are orange which is less that optimal! >> We could do with some more documentation! And then starting to >> publicise it maybe? > > A number of people started using it (at least I am constantly > receiving > error reports when people try to use the not yet implemented > functions). > > After talking to Brian last Thursday I have decided to not develop the > actual merger any further as merging can easily be done with josm. > Also, things like stop areas add lots of complexity to the merging > process and it would be difficult to implement this all. So, I will > concentrate on improving the viewer which seems to be very helpful. That sounds good. I found the 'merge' and save buttons rather scary and wasn't sure if I had merged things or not, and if so how it knew my user name etc. Personally, a straight viewer seems to be the best tool. I would click on a stop expecting to see details of its tagging and the icon would disappear for something to do with merging I later realised. Regards, Peter > > Cheers, > Christoph > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list > Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands _______________________________________________ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
